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Racing a '99 LS1 TA tonight
01-13-2009, 08:15 PM
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What city/town in Va?
01-13-2009, 11:08 PM
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Unless an F-Body owner is a true LT1 junkie or they drive one with 2,000miles you can almost bet money on the opti-spark needing replacement. On one that is simply worn or just starting to fail the only real signs are reduced performance. My 1996 Firebird Formula ran 14.01 when cool and mid 15's when hot thanks to a failing opti-spark.
I was just thinking about that too. That could also be a factor if the kill is true for that one at least.
01-13-2009, 11:21 PM
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what so now cars have to be in tip top pristeen shape to count as a kill. his car runs fine anyways, i've driven it myself. he agreed to a race. its not up to me to inspect a car before i race it. this isn't pinks...
01-14-2009, 12:25 AM
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Guy, I've owned Ls1 f-bodies since I was 17(two in fact)... I would say i'm more of a V8 guy, than a 4-cylinder guy... where you get in your head that I haven't been comparing the LT1 to the LS1, I don't understand... So now with that being said, can you honestly tell me a Lt1 has the top end of a LS1??? Compared to the LS1, they fall on their face, as in after 100mph, the Lt1 might as well be letting up...I never said LT1s were "all torque" I said, the have a much notable reputation in their low end torque, than their top end because honestly 0-60, a Lt1 will hang with a LS1 car... whereas a LS1 is the other way around, after 100, they keep on pulling HARD... and read that word for word.. That doesn't mean the LS1 has less low torque than a Lt1...
what you are doing is playing my words the way you want to make it seem like you "know it all", just like you tried to do with the whole fearing boost thing, because even if you are making 515whp on 8psi, that is still not "a lot" of boost... and a LS1 is going to pull a LT1 from a roll, a dig, idle to redline, whatever race you want to do, so I don't know what part of left field you were shooting for in that comment...
But I think its great we are having Lt1-vs-LS1 argument #1,004,563 on Cobaltss.net, and this is why you don't mention cars not specific to a board, on said board...
I mean obviously you are here to troll... you don't even own a SS Cobalt
so once again, and I plead, can we just drop this... because I don't want to become one of those people that "is a LS1 f-body fan boy" every time I mention the damn car... I'm not, yes, I own one, but I am here to discuss my cobalt, I'll keep my Trans Am's discussion, on f-body boards................you know, where we should be arguing this... the problem is there, people are going to tell you "yeah, the Lt1s are known for their low end torque, not their top end"... you know that, that is why you are on cobaltss.net arguing Small Block Chevys, because you don't know as much as you think and get tired of people reminding you that on LS1tech
what you are doing is playing my words the way you want to make it seem like you "know it all", just like you tried to do with the whole fearing boost thing, because even if you are making 515whp on 8psi, that is still not "a lot" of boost... and a LS1 is going to pull a LT1 from a roll, a dig, idle to redline, whatever race you want to do, so I don't know what part of left field you were shooting for in that comment...
But I think its great we are having Lt1-vs-LS1 argument #1,004,563 on Cobaltss.net, and this is why you don't mention cars not specific to a board, on said board...
I mean obviously you are here to troll... you don't even own a SS Cobalt
so once again, and I plead, can we just drop this... because I don't want to become one of those people that "is a LS1 f-body fan boy" every time I mention the damn car... I'm not, yes, I own one, but I am here to discuss my cobalt, I'll keep my Trans Am's discussion, on f-body boards................you know, where we should be arguing this... the problem is there, people are going to tell you "yeah, the Lt1s are known for their low end torque, not their top end"... you know that, that is why you are on cobaltss.net arguing Small Block Chevys, because you don't know as much as you think and get tired of people reminding you that on LS1tech
I had a 95 LT1 Z28 I, E, No cat, that went a best 13.58@105 . My car was a bare bones Z , no T-top's , roll up windows, and cloth seats. I beat a 96 SS camaro bad ..his 14.1 to my 13.7 so all in all i had a good running LT1
My brother had a 00 Z28 LS1 stock that squeezed into the 12's ...12.98@ 108-109 ... cant remember exact mph .
We drove each others car alot and my car would not 60' like his , my car wanted to spin the tires way lower in the rpm range ( leaving at 2500RPM ) , were as he could launch his LS1 car at 35-4000 rpm .
We would be fairly close till 3rd gear, it seemed like his car had a 50 shot compared to mine when he shifted 3rd. From a 2nd gear roll i alost always pulled a car on him till the begining of 3rd . Lt1's just made peak torque lower in the rpm range, from my experiences i have to agree with Bama
01-14-2009, 04:21 AM
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yelp:
LS2 goat>LS1 f-body>LS1 goat>LT1 f-body
that is the way that food chain works
you'll get the LS1 leg humpers "I out ran a LS2 goat"... and I'm sure some have, but with equal drivers, the LS2 goat is going to beat a LS1 f-body
01-14-2009, 07:11 AM
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my gto is an ls1its an 04
01-14-2009, 09:42 AM
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Sad thing is and the GTO guys here are going to hate this but the LS2 GTO is more so a drivers race for the LS1 F-Body. After owning my LS1's my LS2 GTO was kind of a disapointment for this reason. Given the GTO might trap higher the fact that they are a little tricky to launch negates this.
We would be fairly close till 3rd gear, it seemed like his car had a 50 shot compared to mine when he shifted 3rd. From a 2nd gear roll i alost always pulled a car on him till the begining of 3rd . Lt1's just made peak torque lower in the rpm range, from my experiences i have to agree with Bama
Thats pretty much how all stock vs stock LT vs LS races went. It isn't because the LT has so much more torque down low because a LS makes just as much, nor does the LT fall on it's face and run out of power. It is because the LT cannot spin like the LS and lacks the overall power to begin with. Once you are moving it's the 285 vs 350 horsepower war that the LT simply loses.
If you want a comparison of F-Bodies running each other and one wining because the other falls on it's face run a L98 against an LT1.
Well what ever make you feel better, I know I sures hell wouldn't talk up beat a Z06 if it was having issues. Like I said before my LT1 would have felt no different to anyone who didn't know LT1's but the 1/4 didn't lie 14's vs 15's. After a opti replacement it was a consistant 14.1-14.2 car until I modded it.
ls2guy it doesn't matter what shape the car is in. he wanted to race. so i raced him. his mods were intake, headers, full exhaust, msd ignition and valvsprings. so we raced from a dig, i won. we raced from a roll, i won. theres the video watch it. watch me beat him both times.
i'm trying to get my friend in the ls1 to race me again so we can tape it.
i'm trying to get my friend in the ls1 to race me again so we can tape it.
2- Valvesprings, there is no gain on a LT1 from this alone so I assume it had LT1 famous noisy rocker arms and someone tightened them to far collapsing the lifters. Adding different springs do nothing but collapse the lifter further.
3- I also like how you mention a panhard bar as a mod in another post. All F-Bodies 82-02 had one and using a different one alone does nothing.
4- Tell your friend in the LS1 to learn up on driving and next time he fills up try out some 91 octane instead of 87.
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01-14-2009, 03:40 PM
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01-14-2009, 03:47 PM
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1- Full exhaust means heads to tailpipes
2- Valvesprings, there is no gain on a LT1 from this alone so I assume it had LT1 famous noisy rocker arms and someone tightened them to far collapsing the lifters. Adding different springs do nothing but collapse the lifter further.
3- I also like how you mention a panhard bar as a mod in another post. All F-Bodies 82-02 had one and using a different one alone does nothing.
4- Tell your friend in the LS1 to learn up on driving and next time he fills up try out some 91 octane instead of 87.
2- Valvesprings, there is no gain on a LT1 from this alone so I assume it had LT1 famous noisy rocker arms and someone tightened them to far collapsing the lifters. Adding different springs do nothing but collapse the lifter further.
3- I also like how you mention a panhard bar as a mod in another post. All F-Bodies 82-02 had one and using a different one alone does nothing.
4- Tell your friend in the LS1 to learn up on driving and next time he fills up try out some 91 octane instead of 87.
1. he DOES HAVE full exhaust, i know it means headers to tips hahahah
2. no **** theres no gain for valvesprings. he bought the car used and apparently the guy who owned it before him read somewhere that the LT1 springs can be weak, so he replaced them.
3. i mentioned that as a mod cause thats what he just put on before we raced. i don't know if they come with one or not, i'm not an expert of these cars. i'm just telling you what he told me.
4. how can my friend "learn up" on driving an automatic????
I think his point (LS2guy), is if your going to post a kill, make sure its legit. I mean you could have won, but in im sure you know that you shouldnt have beat either of those cars if they were in proper working condition. Otherwise your going to have people call BS on it all day and its kind of a waste of time. SS/SC stock<LS1/LT1 all day every day.
what were you saying? make sure your sound is on
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01-14-2009, 03:57 PM
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are you talking about the LS1 i raced or the Z28? cause for the Z28...
1. he DOES HAVE full exhaust, i know it means headers to tips hahahah
2. no **** theres no gain for valvesprings. he bought the car used and apparently the guy who owned it before him read somewhere that the LT1 springs can be weak, so he replaced them.
3. i mentioned that as a mod cause thats what he just put on before we raced. i don't know if they come with one or not, i'm not an expert of these cars. i'm just telling you what he told me.
4. how can my friend "learn up" on driving an automatic????
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZW0ZtghPBSM what were you saying? make sure your sound is on
1. he DOES HAVE full exhaust, i know it means headers to tips hahahah
2. no **** theres no gain for valvesprings. he bought the car used and apparently the guy who owned it before him read somewhere that the LT1 springs can be weak, so he replaced them.
3. i mentioned that as a mod cause thats what he just put on before we raced. i don't know if they come with one or not, i'm not an expert of these cars. i'm just telling you what he told me.
4. how can my friend "learn up" on driving an automatic????
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZW0ZtghPBSM
what were you saying? make sure your sound is onYou are unbelievable...There is obviously something wrong with the car...how many times do people need to tell you this. You have 0 knowledge of cars do you? you really think chevy made a cobalt faster ss/sc than a camaro? you fail
01-14-2009, 04:04 PM
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so am i stock now or what? cause everyone else is saying i wasn't. but now you say i am. and btw way i have a lot of knowledge about cars. just not about f-bodies.
LT1's in 95 were rated 275 flywheel right? give or take a few. so that would make them roughly 225-235whp yeah? plus his intake, and full exhaust. would put him around 245-250??? well i put down 231/205. and my car on the scale at the track weighed 3122 with me and a few gallons of gas. and what do 4th gen camaros weigh, upwards of 3,300-3,400??? that would put as at a pretty much dead even hp/weight, and me being a manual and him auto. the race would be in my favor
LT1's in 95 were rated 275 flywheel right? give or take a few. so that would make them roughly 225-235whp yeah? plus his intake, and full exhaust. would put him around 245-250??? well i put down 231/205. and my car on the scale at the track weighed 3122 with me and a few gallons of gas. and what do 4th gen camaros weigh, upwards of 3,300-3,400??? that would put as at a pretty much dead even hp/weight, and me being a manual and him auto. the race would be in my favor
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01-14-2009, 04:04 PM
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If I remember correctly you have a muffler? Im sorry your right then...You should easily pull 5 cars then.../thread
01-14-2009, 04:12 PM
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how about these videos???
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NY8xCa-5jtY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s60I7...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SS7iF...eature=related
5 cars. hahaha, thank you this thread needed a little bit of humor.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NY8xCa-5jtY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s60I7...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SS7iF...eature=related
5 cars. hahaha, thank you this thread needed a little bit of humor.
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01-14-2009, 04:18 PM
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how about these videos???
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NY8xCa-5jtY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s60I7...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SS7iF...eature=related
5 cars. hahaha, thank you this thread needed a little bit of humor.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NY8xCa-5jtY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s60I7...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SS7iF...eature=related
5 cars. hahaha, thank you this thread needed a little bit of humor.
Those videos are all good and well. But there are 0 mods listed for either car. So its not a huge help. Im gonna go play Socom Confrontation because its just plain awsome!
01-14-2009, 04:18 PM
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hahaha alright. well the only thing i can tell for sure in those videos is that the camaro definitely had exhaust
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01-14-2009, 04:46 PM
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Well you do make some major claims. A stock cobalt against a 106mph trap car is a raping. RAPE-ING.
01-14-2009, 05:10 PM
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yeah thats why the LS1 beat me by four cars from a dig and iirc, i trapped a 100flat, so 4 car lengths seems to me about a 105-106 trap. but also my clutch was reason for one of those car lengths hahah. but still, i posted the video of my loss to. and i posted what i had of the 40 roll which i beat him in. then i posted my dig race and roll race of the Z28. what more do you guys want?
01-14-2009, 05:31 PM
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You must have got the one GTO that GM let slip out with a prototype LS3 under the hood. I have owned LS1 F-Bodies and picked on LS2 GTO's and also owned a GTO and picked on LS1 F-Bodies and in neither circumstance did anyone walk away.
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