cakeeater

you can't say, "this engine boosting 1.5 bar is 1/3 the displacement but makes as much power"... that is a dumb argument. Technically it is true yes, and you both have good points, but keep in mind that boost effectively increases displacement. Displacement is not a measure of how big your actual cylinders are, but a measurement of how much air/fuel is used in one complete cycle. This is usually rated at 14.7 psi, or 1 atmosphere, but when you increase pressure by boosting, you are also increasing the effective displacement of the engine. All else being equal, a 2.0 liter 4 cylinder DOHC engine boosting 14.7 psi, should make very close to the same power as a 4 liter dohc v8 with an extremely similar design, similar exhaust restrictions etc. The best examples of high output small displacement engines are very expensive. Such as the v6 in the last m3, etc. There aren't alot of small displacement engines that can create the same kind of power as an ls1 or any well made, big v8, actually there are probably none without forced induction. Sure there are some n/a hondas and the like making 350hp, but where is their torque at? Probably still not even over 200. Then for the car to actually be fast they have to make up for the lack of torque with extremely aggressive gearing and alot of weight reduction, which then leaves the car alot less streetable than your average v8 that is giving the same kind of performance. That's why camaros, mustangs, etc. are so popular in the aftermarket, because they can make BIG performance while still maintaining extreme streetability.

rant over.

FNFAST

Damn ranters!!!!

Kidding.

I won't lie...you have some valid points

I'm not sure why gearing a lightweight would make a car less streetable, though. I guess you lost me there.

Start a thread in the lounge cake...call it 4 vs 8 or something...like that wouldn't take long to get crashed by other shouting vulgarities

cakeeater

it happens with alot of mustang 2v mustang guys too. They want as much as possible in the 1/4 out of their bolt on only car, so they throw something like 4.3's on it or 4.56's. Well yea sure you will accelerate considerably faster than the stock 3.27's, but if you have ever driven a car with that kind of gearing on the street it is absolutely horrible, and that is what most small displacement n/a guys end up doing. Shorter gearing will get you into higher rpm's faster and effectively increase torque (not peak torque, but you will make more earlier) which small displacement engines need more of. That is really why big v8 cars still exist. Think about it, your car has what 4.05's? Your tranny gearing is setup in a way that you aren't shifting THAT much, but compared to the stock gearing on say a z28 which is a beleive 2.73's, you have to work alot more to get up to speed. The whole point is, the more displacement you have, the easier it is going to be to make power and torque throughout a broad range. When you can do this, you dont have to fiddle with weight reduction/distribution as much, and gearing, etc. so it is easier to keep the car a comfortable, nice street car while having monstrous performance.

codyss

Well that settles it I am putting my LS2 in my bike.

FNFAST

Here is a great example of the mindset of most LSx car owners:

That is straight from someones mouth on this site.

SRTboy

Maybe in the 1/8 if you can't drive. I laughed when I read that in the other thread.

codyss

That is completely wrong it's 9's.

FNFAST

..nice cody.

I guess you GTO owners have your tards the same as us eh?

codyss

Yep everyone thinks i'm an ass but it's all in good fun.

FNFAST

I don't think your an ass...and thats coming from a guy who has argued with you until we almost both got booted.

You at least argue valid points...you just get pissed like everyone else who thinks..."oh my god your a retard" when dealing with the "my stock 2.2 liter hung with a c6 this morning!"

Eddie

wow what a good thread to read and drink coffee to in the morning. i have both ls1 and a lsj, both are fun. i'm not saying that the lsj cant beat my ls1, i'm sure w/ full intake exhaust headers fuel 2.8" pulley and a tune will definatly walk my ls1 all day long. and i have intake and exhaust on the maro. i got walked on pretty good in my ls1 by a former member here (allshot) i down shifted to late but still he walked me hard. and he had about what i listed as far as mods go. so its doable.

codyss

Thats going to have to be one sweet ass tune.

Eddie

ls1's are not indistructable, u figure a very low 14 second car compared to a low 13 second car stock for stock, with the mods i listed for the cobalt i'm sure it will beable to stay with my camaro easily.

cakeeater

that'd be pretty tough LOL.

FNFAST

Nothing like nit picking...you know what he meant.

Element2.4

I saw this race in person and the little Coby pulled pretty hard.

lsjwannabe

iTrader: (1)

what race

Area47

whatever one he saw?

codyss

You know which one bee-otch.............

1BADSS/SC

I believe ya lsj. I personally killed a 2002 TA ws6 from a roll. Theyre fast, but not that fast. Not to mention a WHOLE slew of GTOs running the ls1. Slow as *****.

Acidangel_5.0

didnt read all the pages.. but ill take your word on it

there is a carmel WS6 that lives one road up from me and we have ran about 6-8 times.. all same outcome.. me BARELY pulling on him no matter what starting rpm is

chevysalesman614

quit "rice racing" them, and go to the track. you'll get owned.

before you say "no i wont" , i do, and i know i'm faster than you are.

codyss

Ummm, since when is mid 13's slow? And don't start the whole drag strip queen comparissons. Were talking street cars here and mid 13's is respectable.

Unless it's a God damn Mustang then thats terrible.

Son of abitch there I go setting double standards.............

Travi-ss-

well if it makes any ls1 guys feel better.........i got walked by two (camaro and trans am) tonight in my stock ss/sc. both from forty mph and both pulled on me bad. but i could see a cobalt with a stage two and few extras hangin much closer or even.

1gmfanatik

The LS1 Camaro's and T/A's, especially the WS6's are low 13 second quarter mile cars. Trust me, my boy is an F-body freak. He has a 2000 Camaro Z28 that ran 13.3 bone stock in an auto, so I know this. From a go you will have a chance against em stock, but not from a stop, unless you have some good mods