justinaaront

I was coming back from the indy car show yesterdaywhen I was getting back on to the interstate at southport a R32 pulled in frount of me. I put my s/c in 2nd gear at about 40mph and got on it. He did the same and stayed in frount of me untill 3rd gear. I was then able to pull along side of him and started to pass him. At about 120mph i was about a 1/2 a car leanth ahead of him. I slowed back down and gave him a thumbs up saying thinks for a good and rare race. When i told my fiend about it he was pissed because he whants one, and he thought it would beet my s/c proved him wrong.

memphisr24

Yeah but form a dig he would've beaten you. I was in the market for one but too overpriced for what you get.

memphisr24

Why do you say BS? The R32's are just as fast as our cars. From a dig, they would win though at least i would think but not by much. 240 hp awd is not going to kick our butt.

RaineMan

Those R32s are supposedly heavy cars.... especially with the AWD.

GotBoost?

he only beat it by 1/2 car. that sounds about right. I figured either dead even or cobalt by 1/2 car. (thats from a kick, not a dig)

06black

i think its legit....the r32 is crazy heavy and the awd sucks power once your rollin

wasey13

Good kill, a little unsafe, wrong place to post!

justinaaront

no One was on the road at the time. How can you tell diff in thr r32s and what is the diff?

ExHondaMan

Moved to War Stories.
Please post in correct area.

Nice Kill

Mines_Better

good kill man, never raced one myslef

mtwal16

R32 weight: 3256
SS weight:2991

ralliartist

good kill. i would imagine an ss beating one from a roll but from a dig it would be a different story. i'm still waiting on one of you guys to run slicks at a track and tell me your times bone stock. i think you can get under a 1.9 60ft. and run a very good 13sec time. but that's my thoughts. i bet with slicks at the track you guys would probably beat an r32!

mtwal16

there are no differences with the .:R32 models. Being a VW owner, I really like the "R" and with a 3.2L V6, the sound is pure sex!

mi6_

SS supercharged i 2911 lbs, and the R32 is 3397lbs.

These cars are pretty even. The Cobalt could beat this car from a dig as shown by the test data. The Cobalt also traps in the quarter at a higher speed, and is definately a more aerodynamic car than the VW boxy hatchback that the R32 is.

A Cobalt SS could take an R32 easy. It costs less, accelerates just as quick, has a much higher top speed (due to no governor), and just plain looks better than the ugly R32 (in my opinion).


From Car & Driver:

Volkswagen R32

http://www.caranddriver.com/article....rticle_id=8413

Vehicle type: front-engine, 4-wheel-drive, 5-passenger, 3-door coupe
Price as tested: $30,625 (base price: $29,675)
Engine type: DOHC 24-valve V-6, iron block and aluminum head, port fuel injection Displacement: 195 cu in, 3189cc
Power (SAE net): 240 bhp @ 6250 rpm
Torque (SAE net): 236 lb-ft @ 2800 rpm


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Transmission: 6-speed manual
Wheelbase: 99.1 in
Length/width/height: 164.4/68.3/56.1 in
Curb weight: 3397 lb

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Zero to 60 mph: 6.0 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 15.2 sec
Street start, 5-60 mph: 6.8 sec
Standing 1/4-mile: 14.3 sec @ 97 mph
Top speed (governor limited): 128 mph
Braking, 70-0 mph: 158 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.89 g
EPA fuel economy, city driving: 19 mpg



Cobalt SS Supercharged

http://www.caranddriver.com/article....rticle_id=9753


Vehicle type: front-engine, front-wheel-drive, 5-passenger, 2-door coupe
Price as tested: $24,560 (base price: $21,995)
Engine type: supercharged and intercooled DOHC 16-valve inline-4, aluminum block and head, port fuel injection
Displacement: 122 cu in, 1998cc
Power (SAE net): 205 bhp @ 5600 rpm
Torque (SAE net): 200 lb-ft @ 4400 rpm

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Transmission: 5-speed manual
Wheelbase: 103.3 in
Length/width/height: 180.3/67.9/55.7 in
Curb weight: 2911 lb

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Zero to 60 mph: 5.9 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 14.4 sec
Zero to 130 mph: 29.8 sec
Street start, 5-60 mph: 6.2 sec
Standing 1/4-mile: 14.4 sec @ 100 mph
Top speed (drag limited): 145 mph
Braking, 70-0 mph: 160 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.88 g
EPA fuel economy, city driving: 23 mpg
C/D-observed fuel economy: 20 mpg

wasey13

Magazine racing...

2004 Volkswagen R32

Motortrend
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...r32/index.html

Price, base/as tested $29,675/ $30,625
Vehicle layout Front engine, awd, 2-door, 5-pass hatch
Engine 3.2L/240-hp V-6, DOHC, 4 valves/cyl
0-60 mph, sec 5.9
1/4 mile, sec @ mph 14.2 @ 97.6
Braking, 60-0 mph, ft 108
600-ft slalom, mph 66.5
200-ft skidpad, ave g 0.87
EPA mpg, city/highway 19/26
On sale in U.S. Currently
Curb Weight: 3409 lbs. According to...
http://www.edmunds.com/used/2004/vol...042/specs.html

Everyone that says it is overpriced... it outbrakes the STI.


2005 Chevrolet Cobalt SS Supercharged

http://motortrend.com/roadtests/coup...lt/index2.html

Base price $21,995
Price as tested $24,000 (est)
Vehicle layout Front engine, FWD, 2-door, 5-pass coupe
Engine 2.0L/205-hp supercharged I-4, DOHC, 4 valves/cyl
0-60 mph, sec 6.0
1/4 mile, sec @ mph 14.5 @ 98.2
Braking, 60-0 mph, ft 115
200-ft skidpad, avg g 0.89
600-ft slalom, mph 69.0
On sale in U.S. January 2005

Curb Weight: 2991 lbs. According to... http://www.edmunds.com/new/2006/chev...0.3.Chevrolet*


mi6_, I am curious how top speed and price have any effect on acceleration?? Also how you know the Cobalt has a lower cD compared to the R32??

wasey13

Bump for a response. Where are these cD numbers??

SwizzDSMSS

Dude R32 are sick when turboed!!! Sick.

mi6_

1) A coupe is almost always more erodynamic than a hatchback. The airflow at the back of a hatchback is always disturbed significantly more than a coupe. Coupes allow for the smoother transition of air off the rear body of the car, unlike hatchbacks where the air is not guided after passing the roof. That said, it is possible that the R32 is better. I found a site saying the R32 has a cD of .32, but couldn't find anything on the Cobalt. So it's a guess as to which is better, but I would suspect the SS is.

2) Top speed and price do not have an effect on acceleration. I never said they did. I was simply pointing out that when you factor in performance (acceleration and top speed) while considering the price, the Cobalt is a much better value. Obviously one could argue the AWD is a driveability advantage for the R32, and certainly accounts for some variation in price and vehicle weight.


You can not argue with me that the cars put down very similar performance numbers! I am merely pointing out that it is certainly possible for an SS S/C to beat an R32 due to their similar performance.

Based on the fact that the numbers are relatively the same, I am of the opinion that the $9,000 cheaper Cobalt SS S/C is a better performance value.


If you love the R32 so much that you can't accept my valid points supported by both of the tests you and I have posted, then what the hell are you doing on a Cobalt forum??? Go find a VW forum and spew your worship for the R32 there. I never said it was a bad car.

Anyways, if your so sure the cD of the SS is worse than the R32, how about you put some numbers down! If your going to make an irrational aerodynamic argument, please support your position. I don't see Ferrari making a whole lot of hatchbacks. They make coupes because that is the most aerodynamic shape for a car.

Not trying to pick a fight, but please don't make uninformed claims. Anyone who knows about aerodynamics knows a coupe is always better than a hatchback for smooth airflow. If anyone can find cD numbers for both cars please let us know on this thread.

wasey13

I couldn't find cD numbers either that is why I was asking you. Lambo doesn't only make coupes they have roadsters too. Shape is not the only thing that effects coefficient of drag, underpinnings are almost just as important. I did make any claims was just asking where you got yours.

05vicredSS

I don't care if one is a hair faster than the other, but if I had the extra money I woulda got a late model (not 06) r32..the car is sex

Supersleeper

I have personally raced one and from a dig my ass was handed to me never even had a chance. from a roll it was a very close race all in the drivers he beat me 1 and i beat him 1 but it was never by more than half a car. so very belivable story and good kill man

mi6_

No problem. I was actually surprised that the one site claimed the cD of the R32 was .32 that is pretty good for a hatchback. The C6 coupe is .28 which is very low for a sports car.

Yes, the bottom of the car is very important as well. Even larger tires and wheels can significantly reduce the aerodynamic efficiency of the car. Considering that, maybe the VW engineers did a good job creating a smooth airflow under the car.

cobss187

ok lets be realistic.... our car has the same whp as theirs. Ours is under rated at 205 realistically bringing it to around 210-215 and theirs is around 240 but after the drivetrain gets to it ur lookin at around 210-215 as well. If you were both stock then this is correct because from a roll, his awd helps slightly once you guys hit it from the roll but a second later its useless, just to get the inital 1/2 a car (if that much) jump on you. He is also heavier than you so from a roll its really a drivers race. Now go race him from a dig and stop being an ass clown

Sicklyscott

iTrader: (1)

I am a VW guy also but I can also be realistic. The SS/SC should, can, and will be a stock R32. The AWD system isn't as advanced as most and although aids in grip, doesn't substantiate the weight and parasitic drivetrain loss. I personally have never seen a R run any less than a 14.5 quarter, and thats usually with mods.

hatrickstu

iTrader: (1)

i hear those things blow from a roll, my buddy in a WRX with a turboback exhaust said he took one from a roll, he isnt one to bs this kind of thing either