dragos

while i rarely get involved in these pissing matches, the TA can smoke a stock or a stage 2 cobalt. the ws6 is more than a hood and my 77 ta smokes my 06 cobalt ss/sc.

dirtySSout

The WS6 Is not just a fancy hood! I had a 2001 T/A WS6. It came w/ better shocks, Bigger Wheels and tires, a ram air system that pushes the air into the Intake Lid (need to do at least highway speeds to develop enough pressure to make HP). and a slightly higher flowing exhaust system. Hints why they make 20 more horses than a T/A or Formula

cobaltjohnny

lol faster than a ta

JoeyCobalt

This coming from a Pontiac fan and a moderator on a GTO website! This thread is full of comedians

Nocturn

Your darn skippy, I say so having done TONS of research on the concept and actual physics of the vacuume the engine draws, and the effects of it.

In short, the thoery does work, but not on a hood that isn't a closed seal (which the WS6 hood isn't), doesn't have restrictions in it, (filter and MAF sensor), Has decently sized scoops (See pro drag cars for adequate size) And it doesn't devolop ANY horespower at stock ar speeds. The gain that DOES come from it, is because it works as a CAI when the outside air is colder than the engine bay air. Thus on hot days you won't see as much a gain as you do on colder days (also depending on the RA setup).

Basically your not preassurizng the manifold, your just making the air colder, making the hood basically a marketing gimmick (which it was), and any gains relatively minute over a CAI but adding alot more variance in it. SO if you want to win/lose a race depending on the outside air temp then by all means go ram air. But the Vacuume a stock engine creates at full throttle is vastly greater than the any preassure created by the "ram air" effect.

Cooler air yes, forced induction effect no.

Mike's SS

If you had a 2001 you had the same stock shocks everyone else had, they were orange decarbon brand shocks, they had already quit using bilsteins at that point. The Ram air thing is bs did you see the rain baffles at the front and back of the hood. The only thing better was the ram air model had a different lower airbox than the rest of the fbodies that sat an inch and half higher. The only thing different about the exhaust was the tips. I had 3 different 4th gen fbodies and you paid for a hood and wheels thats pretty much it. The cars were all in the same range on the dyno for the z, ss, formula, trans am, and ws6. Same goes for the 1/4 mile.

snowyak

yeah ws6 stopped meaning suspension after 92 which is the end of the thirdgens. i know this to be true cause im an f-body fanatic and done mucho research...(however if im wrong. which i could be case its 1230am here and im dead tired) but i have an 86 T/a with ws6 and it clearly says performance suspension when u decode the rpo code

Evilfrog

The hood looks freakin sweet.

1fstss

yep the WS6 is a hood wheels package just like some SS camaro's. (you could order one without any options) but regardless the TA will stomp the cobalt into the ground, oh and most stock LS1's dyno 300whp from the factory

mezzanno

yeah I ran my friends 98 trans am m6 a while back. from a 40 roll i stayed close for a bit but by 90 he had 3 cars on me and had 2 ppl in his car. from a dig by 70 he had close to 6 cars on me. you will not win stock. Oh and btw 98 trans am's are freakishly fast. 13.4 @ 106. their is no power difference between them and WS6's/SS camaros. an LS1 is an LS1.

Mike's SS

And the 98's were the slowest of the ls1 f bodys. The 01-02 cars were running 12.8-13.1 from the factory.

1fstss

ive only seen 1 LS1 car run 12.9 stock, and that was a fully loaded 01SS he had the slp lid exhaust ect... but it came from the dealer like that, everything was installed by SLP engineering. most LS1's run mid 13's all day long stock.and before anyone brings up the few hundred LS1s that got the ls6 block or whatever theres no major differances powerwise... but i did get a poke at my buddies LS1 Z28 auto tonight, i held up prety well, he still got my by about 2-3 cars.

Nocturn

Thank you, the LS1 cars are not 12 second cars, one maybe somewhere once ran it, but 99.5% of them won't run 12s stock.

codyss

What a ton of misinformation about 98-02 F-Bodies in here.

FACTS about the 98-2002 SS, WS6 & Firehawk

First of all LS1's all have the same flywheel HP and TQ ratings Vette, F-Body or GTO.

SS/WS6 Performance packages included:
- Ram Air Hood (Which is more like a nice CAI)
- Specific 17" wheels
- Exhaust (Uses larger muffler and 2.5" tailpipes, Z28, T/A had 2.25")
- Larger F/R sway bars
- 1998-2000 had specific spring rates
- 2001-2002 used Z28 & T/A springs (due to complaints of a rough ride)
- Specific shocks & struts (Bilsteins were never used just different DeCarbons)
- Specific Gearing SS/WS6 had 3.23 w/Auto and 3.42 w/M6 standard

The Camaro SS could also be ordered with upgraded SLP equipment like exhaust, air lid, wheels, Bilstein suspension & BFG tires.

The Firehawk came with the SLP lid and exhaust standard.

As for performance the F-Bodies were all low to mid 13 second cars stock, Vettes were a little faster and GTO's were a bit slower due to IRS and added weight.

LS1 Breakdown:
Vette w/M6 > Vette w/Auto & F-Body w/M6 > F-Body w/Auto > GTO

I have had 2 LS1's one Auto and one M6, When it comes to SS/SC's they stand no chance from a dig or roll in stock form. I would say that my SS/SC Stage 2 is about a even match for my LS1's from a roll but the RWD is much easier to win with from a dig.

Anyone who says the kept up with a LS1 F-Body with a stock SS/SC has Vtec complex.

TXRLU

ok so any results? Why do people post these questions in the kill section then don't bother to post any results?!?!?! HELLO MCFLY!!!

Cman06sssc

Ls1 T/A Will eat a cobalt alive. I own both a Cobalt SS/SC and a 2001 T/A WS6. That race would be like a bicycle race between you and your sisters 5 year old kid.

codyss

Add Stage 2 to the mix and it's a different story, I too have had both.