ss/sc vs Mustang GT
04-02-2009, 09:44 PM
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There really are some f*cking retards in this thread who dont know **** about Mustangs. Yes I have a 3v, and yes it has a couple bolt ons plus its tuned. Now from a roll, my stock SS/TC couldnt hang with my 3v at all, the 3v would pull from 40 up to atleast 120. From a dig, it was even worse. Now that my SS/TC is tuned, it beats my 3v by a couple cars, but from a dig, the 3v still wins. I've already mentioned this numerous times, but there are a few guys on Mustangforums.com who ran in the 13.2-13.3 range in their stock 3v, and tons who have ran 13.5-13.6's. If you're gonna say that the 3v is on average a 14 second car, than the SS/SC is a mid 14 second car on average. The 2v GT's have gone 13's before stock, so to say the 3v is equal is complete and utter BS. Go read some real times with some real drag racers who can drive, and enough of this BS.
If you seriously think your fastest time in your SS/SC is capable of beating a stock 3v, you fail at life and should just retire from this forum, because a 101 trap is nothing. And a 3v GT is still a much, much superior car compared to yours.
If you seriously think your fastest time in your SS/SC is capable of beating a stock 3v, you fail at life and should just retire from this forum, because a 101 trap is nothing. And a 3v GT is still a much, much superior car compared to yours.
You sir, are full of fail like that other dude.
. What the **** does your MODDED 3v POS Ford and your SS/TC have to do with ANY of this? Are you retarded? And YEAH I agree. The SS/SC IS a mid 14 second car on average. WHEN ITS STOCK. We are comparing a STOCK GT vs. a MODDED SS/SC. Plus, The topic is ROLL RACING. You are possibly more of a failure than my friend Sarvoth here.
Idiots FTL.
04-02-2009, 09:47 PM
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You sir, are full of fail like that other dude. .
What the **** does your MODDED 3v POS Ford have to do with ANY of this? Are you retarded? And YEAH I agree. The SS/SC IS a mid 14 second car on average. WHEN ITS STOCK. We are comparing a STOCK GT vs. a MODDED SS/SC. Plus, The topic is ROLL RACING. You are possible more of a failure than my friend Sarvoth here.
Idiots FTL.
. What the **** does your MODDED 3v POS Ford have to do with ANY of this? Are you retarded? And YEAH I agree. The SS/SC IS a mid 14 second car on average. WHEN ITS STOCK. We are comparing a STOCK GT vs. a MODDED SS/SC. Plus, The topic is ROLL RACING. You are possible more of a failure than my friend Sarvoth here.
Idiots FTL.
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04-02-2009, 09:50 PM
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I dont know if you're being serious, or how you feel about this thread, LOL. If stock 3v's are running mid 13's, or 13.5-13.7 stock, and a stage 2 SS/SC is running 13.7-13.9 on average, I really dont see how it would be a race.
You are a roll racing ******* retard arent you? I said from a roll, my tuned SS/TC would beat my 3v by alittle bit, and I know my tuned SS/TC would stomp a stage 2 SS/SC from a roll. I know from a roll a stage 2 SS/SC would probably hang with or possibly beat a stock 3v, but from a dig it wont happen. You seriously are up your SS/SC's ass like no other. Come to TN, and I will show you what a 3v is all about, or hell I'll find a stage 2 SS/SC around here and post the vid.
You are a roll racing ******* retard arent you? I said from a roll, my tuned SS/TC would beat my 3v by alittle bit, and I know my tuned SS/TC would stomp a stage 2 SS/SC from a roll. I know from a roll a stage 2 SS/SC would probably hang with or possibly beat a stock 3v, but from a dig it wont happen. You seriously are up your SS/SC's ass like no other. Come to TN, and I will show you what a 3v is all about, or hell I'll find a stage 2 SS/SC around here and post the vid.
Thank you.
04-02-2009, 09:57 PM
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I dont know if you're being serious, or how you feel about this thread, LOL. If stock 3v's are running mid 13's, or 13.5-13.7 stock, and a stage 2 SS/SC is running 13.7-13.9 on average, I really dont see how it would be a race.
You are a roll racing ******* retard arent you? I said from a roll, my tuned SS/TC would beat my 3v by alittle bit, and I know my tuned SS/TC would stomp a stage 2 SS/SC from a roll. I know from a roll a stage 2 SS/SC would probably hang with or possibly beat a stock 3v, but from a dig it wont happen. You seriously are up your SS/SC's ass like no other. Come to TN, and I will show you what a 3v is all about, or hell I'll find a stage 2 SS/SC around here and post the vid.
You are a roll racing ******* retard arent you? I said from a roll, my tuned SS/TC would beat my 3v by alittle bit, and I know my tuned SS/TC would stomp a stage 2 SS/SC from a roll. I know from a roll a stage 2 SS/SC would probably hang with or possibly beat a stock 3v, but from a dig it wont happen. You seriously are up your SS/SC's ass like no other. Come to TN, and I will show you what a 3v is all about, or hell I'll find a stage 2 SS/SC around here and post the vid.
I've been trying to tell him that a GM Stage 2 only Cobalt SS is dead heat with a 5 speed stock 3v through all ranges on a roll. He tried to talk **** about me having 2vs in my kill list and an AUTO 3v from a roll.
From the dig I've stated that the 3v has a strong advantage numerous times. He seems to disagree. He thinks a Stage 2 only car can beat a 3v anywhere and that a Stage 2 with bolt ons ***** all over a 3v in the quarter from a dig..
Most people know a Stage 2 with bolt ons can pull some on a stock 3v from a roll but it will almost assuredly still lose in the quarter with equal drivers.
A Stage 2 ONLY Cobalt wont pull on a 3v anywhere but 5th gear, period. I can't see to get that across to this guy and he seems to feel he's running circles around me when in fact he's a no reading idiot.
04-02-2009, 10:03 PM
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Is that so? Even though I have experienced dozens of races first hand with 05-06 Mustang GTs from rolls and a couple from digs and experienced first hand that I have won every single one against them if they were stock? Is it my fault mustang drivers can't pull this said "13.6-13.7" in the quarter? Not once in my life have I seen anyone break a 13.7 in a stock mustang of that year. If you're arguing that stage2+ cobalts can't win against these cars from a roll you know that you're even lying to yourself. LIKE I SAID: From a dig is closer. Do you agree? I'd hope so. The quarter mile times are close so a dig is a close race. From my experience I can out-run a GT in the quarter by a couple tenths and I get them a lot worse from rolls which is what this thread is about. Naturally though, you will not accept that the big bad v8 will lose to a 4-banger considering you ARE without a doubt a hard-headed mustang dude.
All jokes aside, the cobalts with the GM Stage 2 upgrade (with any sort of decent driver) WILL pull Mustang GTs (with a driver of equal ability) on roll races.
From a dig, the story COULD potentially change and the mustang COULD potentially win. But from MY experience, it is not likely. From my experience, the stock GTs at the track run 14.0-14.3 in the quarter. That being said, the cobalt will win most every time. Regardless, it will be close. Once again though, this thread is not about digs.
All jokes aside, the cobalts with the GM Stage 2 upgrade (with any sort of decent driver) WILL pull Mustang GTs (with a driver of equal ability) on roll races.
From a dig, the story COULD potentially change and the mustang COULD potentially win. But from MY experience, it is not likely. From my experience, the stock GTs at the track run 14.0-14.3 in the quarter. That being said, the cobalt will win most every time. Regardless, it will be close. Once again though, this thread is not about digs.
Is this the part that made you say that I think SS/SCs will walk all over 3vs from a dig? Cuz it sounds like you're making it sound like something I never said.... I am talking from personal experience since I have ran quite a few GTs. Sarvoth. lol I thought you weren't gonna post anymore? You keep saying that and you keep posting. Is it because you're pissed off and still in denial? I repeat: You Are FAIL. Just stop typing.
04-03-2009, 01:13 AM
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There you go ranting away about your big beefy v8 quarter mile times.
Why don't you take a poll and see WHO has ever seen a STOCK 05-06 GT run a MID 13 second run. Go ahead.. I'd like to see the results of that.
I never said stage 2 cobalts pull buslengths on GTs.. But I DID say they pull them by a considerable amount. Which is true. Sorry to burst your bubble.
Why don't you take a poll and see WHO has ever seen a STOCK 05-06 GT run a MID 13 second run. Go ahead.. I'd like to see the results of that.
I never said stage 2 cobalts pull buslengths on GTs.. But I DID say they pull them by a considerable amount. Which is true. Sorry to burst your bubble.
there you go buddy; have a good time.
04-03-2009, 07:21 AM
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If you have stock SS/TC's beating low to mid 13 second cars from a roll, than I could see a stage 2 SS/SC doing the same thing. Roll racing is where the Cobalt shines from, I dont care who you are or who you talk to, that is the sweet spot when it comes to racing. When my SS/TC was stock, I raced a 2v GT from 99-04 from a 20 roll and up til about 70 I had an easy 3-4 cars on him, and he got the jump on me. Big difference in 2v's and 3v's.
04-03-2009, 11:57 AM
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04-05-2009, 12:20 AM
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Well since I'm stuck at home with a cold, I figured I'd get my big **** stirrin spoon and give this argument a little "stir".......heh.......The sad part is that other than the Base Mustang GT, the other cars are in the high 30K to low 40K price range. All for about 270-ish HP at the wheels. The Cobalt does what about 210 stock and is a few hundred pounds lighter (Oh and the Torque difference isn't much either)? I don't see the Mustang GT blowing away the Cobalt SS by as much as some of the Mustang people think.
04-05-2009, 02:42 AM
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what other cars are you talking about? I don't know where you are getting 40k from, but for 42k you can get a gt500....let's not talk about what a stock gt500 will do to a cobalt, let alone a bolt on one...?
04-05-2009, 01:21 PM
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Granted these are coming from over-priced tuners and from a magazine.......(and no one loves magazine racing......OH NOEZ!! where's my big ass spoon?)
2008 Roush Stage 2 2008 Saleen S281-3V 2008 Shelby GT-C
Base price $39,880 $48,214 $42,010
Price as tested $46,989 $49,613 $48,675
0-30 1.8 1.9 2.0
0-40 2.8 3 2.9
0-50 3.9 3.9 3.9
0-60 5.1 5.1 5.1
0-70 6.8 6.6 6.8
0-80 8.6 8.6 8.5
0-90 10.7 10.7 10.6
0-100 13.4 13 13
Passing, 45-65 mph 2.6 2.4 2.5
Quarter mile 13.8 sec @ 100.9 mph 13.7 sec @ 102.1 mph 13.8 sec @ 102.5 mph
04-05-2009, 02:02 PM
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Granted these are coming from over-priced tuners and from a magazine.......(and no one loves magazine racing......OH NOEZ!! where's my big ass spoon?)
2008 Roush Stage 2 2008 Saleen S281-3V 2008 Shelby GT-C
Base price $39,880 $48,214 $42,010
Price as tested $46,989 $49,613 $48,675
0-30 1.8 1.9 2.0
0-40 2.8 3 2.9
0-50 3.9 3.9 3.9
0-60 5.1 5.1 5.1
0-70 6.8 6.6 6.8
0-80 8.6 8.6 8.5
0-90 10.7 10.7 10.6
0-100 13.4 13 13
Passing, 45-65 mph 2.6 2.4 2.5
Quarter mile 13.8 sec @ 100.9 mph 13.7 sec @ 102.1 mph 13.8 sec @ 102.5 mph
2008 Roush Stage 2 2008 Saleen S281-3V 2008 Shelby GT-C
Base price $39,880 $48,214 $42,010
Price as tested $46,989 $49,613 $48,675
0-30 1.8 1.9 2.0
0-40 2.8 3 2.9
0-50 3.9 3.9 3.9
0-60 5.1 5.1 5.1
0-70 6.8 6.6 6.8
0-80 8.6 8.6 8.5
0-90 10.7 10.7 10.6
0-100 13.4 13 13
Passing, 45-65 mph 2.6 2.4 2.5
Quarter mile 13.8 sec @ 100.9 mph 13.7 sec @ 102.1 mph 13.8 sec @ 102.5 mph
These times dont mean ****, especially when I've seen 3 different magazines run a 3v GT to a 13.5-13.6 stock, and I've seen others run 13.2-13.3 stock. Get a driver who is gonna run their car like it should be and get back to me.
04-05-2009, 02:49 PM
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Granted these are coming from over-priced tuners and from a magazine.......(and no one loves magazine racing......OH NOEZ!! where's my big ass spoon?)
2008 Roush Stage 2 2008 Saleen S281-3V 2008 Shelby GT-C
Base price $39,880 $48,214 $42,010
Price as tested $46,989 $49,613 $48,675
0-30 1.8 1.9 2.0
0-40 2.8 3 2.9
0-50 3.9 3.9 3.9
0-60 5.1 5.1 5.1
0-70 6.8 6.6 6.8
0-80 8.6 8.6 8.5
0-90 10.7 10.7 10.6
0-100 13.4 13 13
Passing, 45-65 mph 2.6 2.4 2.5
Quarter mile 13.8 sec @ 100.9 mph 13.7 sec @ 102.1 mph 13.8 sec @ 102.5 mph
2008 Roush Stage 2 2008 Saleen S281-3V 2008 Shelby GT-C
Base price $39,880 $48,214 $42,010
Price as tested $46,989 $49,613 $48,675
0-30 1.8 1.9 2.0
0-40 2.8 3 2.9
0-50 3.9 3.9 3.9
0-60 5.1 5.1 5.1
0-70 6.8 6.6 6.8
0-80 8.6 8.6 8.5
0-90 10.7 10.7 10.6
0-100 13.4 13 13
Passing, 45-65 mph 2.6 2.4 2.5
Quarter mile 13.8 sec @ 100.9 mph 13.7 sec @ 102.1 mph 13.8 sec @ 102.5 mph
04-05-2009, 07:38 PM
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Well he asked about the prices, the chart I pulled the prices from had the 0-60 times so I figured I'd pull those too. The Dyno numbers don't lie though, unless the facility borrowed from K&N had some reason to falsify the numbers. When I dynoed my Ion Redline (LSJ as well) it dynoed around 210 to the wheels and torque was around 200. Compared to the numbers the above Mustangs put to the wheels, its not inconceivable that a Stage 2 will give a GT a run for its money.
04-05-2009, 07:55 PM
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I dont know if you're being serious, or how you feel about this thread, LOL. If stock 3v's are running mid 13's, or 13.5-13.7 stock, and a stage 2 SS/SC is running 13.7-13.9 on average, I really dont see how it would be a race.
You are a roll racing ******* retard arent you? I said from a roll, my tuned SS/TC would beat my 3v by alittle bit, and I know my tuned SS/TC would stomp a stage 2 SS/SC from a roll. I know from a roll a stage 2 SS/SC would probably hang with or possibly beat a stock 3v, but from a dig it wont happen. You seriously are up your SS/SC's ass like no other. Come to TN, and I will show you what a 3v is all about, or hell I'll find a stage 2 SS/SC around here and post the vid.
You are a roll racing ******* retard arent you? I said from a roll, my tuned SS/TC would beat my 3v by alittle bit, and I know my tuned SS/TC would stomp a stage 2 SS/SC from a roll. I know from a roll a stage 2 SS/SC would probably hang with or possibly beat a stock 3v, but from a dig it wont happen. You seriously are up your SS/SC's ass like no other. Come to TN, and I will show you what a 3v is all about, or hell I'll find a stage 2 SS/SC around here and post the vid.
04-05-2009, 09:17 PM
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Too bad everyone who sides with you doesn't have a Stage 2 only car with no other mods what-so-ever and most likely no experiences with stock 3v 5spds.
It's hilarious that people who don't have the cars in question comment and disagree with people who do.
Specifically a 3v and Stage 2 Cobalt.
Keep it rollin'.
It's hilarious that people who don't have the cars in question comment and disagree with people who do.
Specifically a 3v and Stage 2 Cobalt.
Keep it rollin'.
04-05-2009, 09:26 PM
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I don't see why you like to refer to heavily modded Cobalts as "Stage 2".
So are we now calling cammed LS1 cars bolt-on cars?
Are we calling tuned LNF cars stock?
Like I said keep it rollin'. I love the Ricer movement.
04-05-2009, 09:27 PM
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Big difference between a custom tune and/or bolt-ons and just Stage 2.
I don't see why you like to refer to heavily modded Cobalts as "Stage 2".
So are we now calling cammed LS1 cars bolt-on cars?
Are we calling tuned LNF cars stock?
Like I said keep it rollin'. I love the Ricer movement.
I don't see why you like to refer to heavily modded Cobalts as "Stage 2".
So are we now calling cammed LS1 cars bolt-on cars?
Are we calling tuned LNF cars stock?
Like I said keep it rollin'. I love the Ricer movement.You are full of retardation.
04-05-2009, 09:31 PM
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