ss tc vis civic si
04-13-2009, 06:02 PM
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04-13-2009, 06:15 PM
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Honda is out of touch in the performance scene... Yes, insanely high-revving engines are pretty cool. Unfortunately, Honda owners will yell "BUT WE DON'T HAVE F/I, IF WE DID FROM THE FACTORY WE'D SMOKE YOU."
...Sure, and you'd get charged $35K plus for the car. Honda builds these slow, under-performing cars and prices them equal to faster (SS/TC, MS3, GTI) and more refined (MS3, GTI) cars at the same price point. I like Honda as a company, our family's 2000 Honda Odyssey is an amazing and well-built vehicle... But in terms of performance, the SI left me completely and utterly underwhelmed.
...Sure, and you'd get charged $35K plus for the car. Honda builds these slow, under-performing cars and prices them equal to faster (SS/TC, MS3, GTI) and more refined (MS3, GTI) cars at the same price point. I like Honda as a company, our family's 2000 Honda Odyssey is an amazing and well-built vehicle... But in terms of performance, the SI left me completely and utterly underwhelmed.
04-13-2009, 06:22 PM
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Honda is out of touch in the performance scene... Yes, insanely high-revving engines are pretty cool. Unfortunately, Honda owners will yell "BUT WE DON'T HAVE F/I, IF WE DID FROM THE FACTORY WE'D SMOKE YOU."
...Sure, and you'd get charged $35K plus for the car. Honda builds these slow, under-performing cars and prices them equal to faster (SS/TC, MS3, GTI) and more refined (MS3, GTI) cars at the same price point. I like Honda as a company, our family's 2000 Honda Odyssey is an amazing and well-built vehicle... But in terms of performance, the SI left me completely and utterly underwhelmed.
...Sure, and you'd get charged $35K plus for the car. Honda builds these slow, under-performing cars and prices them equal to faster (SS/TC, MS3, GTI) and more refined (MS3, GTI) cars at the same price point. I like Honda as a company, our family's 2000 Honda Odyssey is an amazing and well-built vehicle... But in terms of performance, the SI left me completely and utterly underwhelmed.
04-13-2009, 08:13 PM
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04-13-2009, 11:21 PM
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I'm not sure I agree with Honda being out of touch with the performance scene. Especially since one of their cars beats several supercars around a road course. (NSX-R) Honda has had plenty of history with racing. They're getting bigger and better when it comes to performance. With Acura's release of the RDX which is a 2.3 Turbo K-series, something tells me it won't be too long before they start turbocharging the Civic or the S2000. I mean look at the torque on that thing. 240hp/260lb ft....on a Honda engine. They have massive potential. I can gaurantee you Honda will surprise many people soon. Sure the Sis are no SS/TC when it comes to power/torque. But sticking a SC on the Cobalt like previous years really didn't put it far ahead in power. Rated at 205 while the Si was at 197 N/A...Honda builds some awesome engines.
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04-14-2009, 07:53 AM
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PS- The Lightening Lap from 2006 which I was speaking of seems to be gone from Car and Drivers website. I'll keep looking.
04-14-2009, 08:08 AM
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I'm not sure I agree with Honda being out of touch with the performance scene. Especially since one of their cars beats several supercars around a road course. (NSX-R) Honda has had plenty of history with racing. They're getting bigger and better when it comes to performance. With Acura's release of the RDX which is a 2.3 Turbo K-series, something tells me it won't be too long before they start turbocharging the Civic or the S2000. I mean look at the torque on that thing. 240hp/260lb ft....on a Honda engine. They have massive potential. I can gaurantee you Honda will surprise many people soon. Sure the Sis are no SS/TC when it comes to power/torque. But sticking a SC on the Cobalt like previous years really didn't put it far ahead in power. Rated at 205 while the Si was at 197 N/A...Honda builds some awesome engines.
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04-14-2009, 08:17 AM
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The SC Cobalt was rated at 205 hp, but puts 215 + whp to the ground. Which means it is closer to 240 bhp. The civic is rated at 197 bhp, but the most I have seen it put down was 180 whp. hmm 35 whp seems pretty far a head to me .... not to mention how much more torque the SS/SC makes than the Si. Stop bashing the SS/SC it outpowers the Civic Si just like the SS/TC does.
04-14-2009, 08:29 AM
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I just checked out the Mugen RR .... I must say it actually is a pretty nice looking car. I like the seats, exhaust, wing, and engine dress ups.
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GM underrated it from the factory to keep insurance rates down. I guess back in 2005 when the SS/SC came out insurance companies were strict, because they have no prob rating the SS/TC at 260bhp & 260tq now. The SS/SC should have been rated at 240bhp & 225tq.
I just checked out the Mugen RR .... I must say it actually is a pretty nice looking car. I like the seats, exhaust, wing, and engine dress ups.
I just checked out the Mugen RR .... I must say it actually is a pretty nice looking car. I like the seats, exhaust, wing, and engine dress ups.
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04-14-2009, 09:24 AM
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04-14-2009, 09:34 AM
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Is it way more powerful than an S2K because they are just as light if not lighter and rwd so. As for the video, I guess the SI driver did not see that coming or he would have never raced the TC. Talk about getting walked. I did that times to to a black Si here in Spring Hill Fl. He too did not know what he was up against, he probably did not know I have almost 340 whp.
04-14-2009, 09:44 AM
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Is it way more powerful than an S2K because they are just as light if not lighter and rwd so. As for the video, I guess the SI driver did not see that coming or he would have never raced the TC. Talk about getting walked. I did that times to to a black Si here in Spring Hill Fl. He too did not know what he was up against, he probably did not know I have almost 340 whp.
04-14-2009, 12:43 PM
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Here's the article I was speaking of.
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...gt+page-3.html
Now how exactly is a stock Si a superior handling car comparing it to a SS/SC?
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...gt+page-3.html
Now how exactly is a stock Si a superior handling car comparing it to a SS/SC?
04-14-2009, 12:51 PM
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Here's the article I was speaking of.
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...gt+page-3.html
Now how exactly is a stock Si a superior handling car comparing it to a SS/SC?
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...gt+page-3.html
Now how exactly is a stock Si a superior handling car comparing it to a SS/SC?
04-14-2009, 01:50 PM
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04-14-2009, 02:02 PM
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04-14-2009, 02:04 PM
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[QUOTE=M1kl0;3731000]lets see here, carry the invisible y..........multiply by si..........hmm.......*squeals slightly*........divide by pi......*mumbles*.........add the rofl......
i got it!
No torque so in order to make Hp they have to rev to 8K. That is the value of X.
i got it!
No torque so in order to make Hp they have to rev to 8K. That is the value of X.
04-14-2009, 02:07 PM
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[QUOTE=Terminator2;3731010]ya. we laugh now, but believe it or not, my ass was handed to me by a stock ls vtec civic hatch, the "bubbles", according to that one ***, and he beat me by a car and a half on the 1/8 mile. im a good driver and we were both spining tire through first. is it cause he was lighter than me? i was driving my ss/tc btw