Originally Posted by GLHS837

No, the Charger and 300 are NOT 300-400lbs heavier. Here have a few sources.

Magnum = Curb weight 4250 lb (mfr) (heaviest besdies the Jeep, which is a porky 4800lbs)

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...rt8/index.html

Challenger = The end result is a curb weight of 4,140 lbs for the Challenger SRT8.

http://mustangs.about.com/od/modelye...vschallngr.htm

300C = Base Curb Weight (lbs) 4160

http://www.leftlanenews.com/chrysler...specifications

Charger = Curb weight is estimated to be identical to the 300C SRT8's at 4160 pounds, about 130 pounds more than the Charger R/T,

http://www.automobilemag.com/reviews...rt8/index.html

So, barring any rebuttals quoting authoritative sources, can we call this one closed?

All SRT-8s besides the Jeep weigh the same.

Originally Posted by GLHS837

Problem was for some reason, it needed some structural reinforcements, those added the weight back in. Thats what the SRT Engineers told us during one of our monthly web chats. and heres why......

http://www.businessfleet.com/Blog/Ma...n-2011-MY.aspx

So, they (Chrysler) wanted the Challenger to pass the upcoming standards with no redesign needed, and so it got the beef needed ahead of time. They did the same with the Charger/300/Magnum back in 2004, making it compliant with a new standard for rear impact, a 50mph offset using a more realistic sled.

http://www.dot.gov/affairs/nhtsa5103.htm

the fed allowed makers til 2009 to be fully compliant, the 2005 300C and all other LXa were made to pass that. See, what they do is look through the design cycle, and implement stuff early, rather than have to a mid cycle redesign.

Originally Posted by Mike09SS

For the money the srt-8 is just not worth the it, especially if you plan on modding to make it faster. The only dodge id pay over 40 fer is the Viper.

Originally Posted by slowstang

I'm waiting on that 13.5 ss/tc timeslip. I'm not saying it isn't possible...just the fact that if you ran that awhile back we would have heard about it already.

If its true then place it up in the drag racing section. We need more times out of the "slow" cobalts.

Originally Posted by GLHS837

So, that begs the question, what full size car is more "worth it for the money"? Remember, its not just the motor your getting. Theres other things that make up that price, from a beefier rear end with better gearing, world class brakes, transmission programming that AMG helped with, revised ESP programming. To get a 5.7 LX to match an SRT in all categories, with any sort of reliability margins, you'll spend as much as the difference, and void the warranty to boot.

Now, if you've got an issue with Dodges, that a whole other matter, but just looking at things factually, its hard to find another full size car thats a better value, in the bang to buck ratio.

Originally Posted by GLHS837

Tell you what, you go buy a 4100lb car (which weight is average for its size, BTW) that can run a 12.88 @108, on pump gas, street tires, which is the fastest I've personally seen a stock one go, here at MIR, at the 2005 Mopar Eastern Classic, and tell me what it cost. Youve only got a few cars in that class. The CTS-V, the M5, the Mercedes E Class, an now the G8 GXP, which, btw, is about a dead heat in speed, and shocker, costs about the same.

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...omparison_test

"The basic test numbers were impressive, but the Charger's agility on the Grattan road circuit was truly revelatory. Even though we experienced brake-fade problems during the full-tilt process, we were able to herd the bad-boy Dodge around the track in 1:32.65, just 0.1 second behind the CLS55 Benz and almost a full second quicker than the Cadillac STS-V."

There you go, read that. Up against cars costing 40K more, an SRT-8 held its own. Its a bargain against its real competitors. Its heavy because its a big car, carries five adults nicely, four in a lot of comfort, and has a gargantuan trunk. Big cars are heavy. And going fast costs, more as you get heavier.

What do you consider "very quick", anyway. Break it down to numbers. 0-60 in under 5 seconds? The 1/4 mile in under 13? Top speed of 173? Or just a certain number in a 40-80 sprint?

Oh, and BTW, I did miss the edit, my apologies, but for the record, sanding isnt porting.

Originally Posted by Mike09SS

For the money the srt-8 is just not worth the it, especially if you plan on modding to make it faster. The only dodge id pay over 40 fer is the Viper.

Originally Posted by evilgoat

wait ur username is familiar, arent you the moderator from chargerforums.com and by the way you are burning this ignorant balt owner that all it does is bash car for no reson other than its own. well done



it may not be worthy for you but for some others that need a bigger ride is the best bang for the bucks. it cant be that hard to undertand bro

Originally Posted by GLHS837

Heres the sticker/invoice prices as they pan out


Charger $40,078.00/$37,542.00

BMW 335i sedan $40,125.00/$36,980.00

G8 GXP $39,995.00/$38,302.55

Amazing, isnt it, to get a caar this size, this fast, it costs about the same, but wait, the 3 series is a compact, and the G8 is a midsize.

What price you want things to be is nice, but what price they are is another. Now, for two doors, the Challenger ans Camaro do go head to head, and when you option an SS up the the SRT-8 level, it cots about the same.

Originally Posted by GLHS837

emiller, yeah, heres whats odd, I used the KBB comparison tool, and while it does list the 335 as compact, and the G8 as a midsize, once you actually dig into the interior measurements, they are pretty close in all dimensions. I assume they use wheelbase to decide category, since that was about the only place the cars differed significantly.