SS Vs. GTO 5.7 350 HP
07-12-2005, 11:23 AM
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Some people just don't get it........ Cobalt SS, won't run with the GTO. Stock to stock, modded to modded, GTO is the better car. What color is the sky in your world, by the way ? 
07-12-2005, 12:42 PM
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Congrats Vita, you almost kept up with someone who doesn't know how to get the best out of their car. Have you considered getting on the internet and letting people know how great your car is, and how bad the other one sux ?
07-12-2005, 01:20 PM
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I ran a new 6.0L GTO at the track last Thursday night. I checked to see if it were an ATX or MTX and it was the MTX. His 2nd run of the night (I didn't see his first) is on the other side of my 12.5 timeslip... he ran a 13.88@103 (w/ a 2.2 60'). Later on I saw him run a 13.3.. getting better. I still have yet to see a stock 04 GTO dip below 14.0, IIRC the best I have seen was a 14.2.
07-12-2005, 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by mchat
I ran a new 6.0L GTO at the track last Thursday night. I checked to see if it were an ATX or MTX and it was the MTX. His 2nd run of the night (I didn't see his first) is on the other side of my 12.5 timeslip... he ran a 13.88@103 (w/ a 2.2 60'). Later on I saw him run a 13.3.. getting better. I still have yet to see a stock 04 GTO dip below 14.0, IIRC the best I have seen was a 14.2.
07-12-2005, 02:54 PM
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1350ft above sea level, IIRC. Temps ranged from about 90 (toward the end of the night) to about 100 (when the track opened).
Perhaps when it cools off, we'll see some better times... And track prep was pretty good Thursday night (a few "VIP" cars were doing test-n-tune). I was running full boost in 2nd gear, rather than pulling boost for 2nd. If I could have gotten the car to hook good enough for a 1.8 60', I'd have been knocking on the 11's for sure.
I'm hoping to hit the dyno this coming week and shoot for 11's anyhow...
Perhaps when it cools off, we'll see some better times... And track prep was pretty good Thursday night (a few "VIP" cars were doing test-n-tune). I was running full boost in 2nd gear, rather than pulling boost for 2nd. If I could have gotten the car to hook good enough for a 1.8 60', I'd have been knocking on the 11's for sure.
I'm hoping to hit the dyno this coming week and shoot for 11's anyhow...
07-12-2005, 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by mchat
1350ft above sea level, IIRC. Temps ranged from about 90 (toward the end of the night) to about 100 (when the track opened).
Perhaps when it cools off, we'll see some better times... And track prep was pretty good Thursday night (a few "VIP" cars were doing test-n-tune). I was running full boost in 2nd gear, rather than pulling boost for 2nd. If I could have gotten the car to hook good enough for a 1.8 60', I'd have been knocking on the 11's for sure.
I'm hoping to hit the dyno this coming week and shoot for 11's anyhow...
Perhaps when it cools off, we'll see some better times... And track prep was pretty good Thursday night (a few "VIP" cars were doing test-n-tune). I was running full boost in 2nd gear, rather than pulling boost for 2nd. If I could have gotten the car to hook good enough for a 1.8 60', I'd have been knocking on the 11's for sure.
I'm hoping to hit the dyno this coming week and shoot for 11's anyhow...
I have seen many 14 second GTO's, but I have also seen many 15 second SRT-4's, that does not mean the car is not capable of faster.
Good luck for the 11's!
07-12-2005, 05:42 PM
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Yea, there was a newbie at the track one night with his SRT-4. First pass was a high 15 w/ a 3.6 60' 
By the end of the night I believe (with some coaching) he was down to a 14.7. Most people (myself included) I've seen run mid 14's their first time out with the SRT-4 (My best first time out was a 14.3xx). It takes a bit of seat time (past or present) in order to really learn how to launch the car to get a decent time.
In addition most cars are .3 to .5 slower now than what they will be in late October/November. I'm sure we'll be seeing the GTO's perform better then, well maybe not the ATX '04's... they seem to be stuck at 14.4 (would make an excellent bracket car tho).
By the end of the night I believe (with some coaching) he was down to a 14.7. Most people (myself included) I've seen run mid 14's their first time out with the SRT-4 (My best first time out was a 14.3xx). It takes a bit of seat time (past or present) in order to really learn how to launch the car to get a decent time.In addition most cars are .3 to .5 slower now than what they will be in late October/November. I'm sure we'll be seeing the GTO's perform better then, well maybe not the ATX '04's... they seem to be stuck at 14.4 (would make an excellent bracket car tho).
07-13-2005, 05:18 PM
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What's your problem Flach. The 04 is not that fast, particularly the auto trans. A guy in an 04 at the local track could only manage a 14.1 for his best time on a nice cool day. I know it is still better than my best 14.7 in my SS. It was hot that day, so I' thinking 14.5 on nice cool day, which is right on the 04 GTO's heals. By the way the 04 GTO was 6 speed. Now the 05 comes 50 extra ponies, am I correct? The SS is no match for that year!
07-13-2005, 06:44 PM
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Originally Posted by amxguy1970
mchat, your an idiot, just thought id say it. look at the numbers. ss~100mph trap gto~mid-high 100 trap. what are guys running trap wise around here? ive seen mags run just under 100 and srt's a hair over a 100. but the gto is above all them. and yall say a sti would womp all over the ss? gto beats the sti. i don't doubt the credibility of the race. an auto is a few mph slower then a stick, and the ss is a fast car, driver error is all it takes on the street or strip. i just couldn't read mchats responses and let him stay there thinking that. anyways, ill be keeping around. later yall 
And you called someone an idiot
GTO beats the STI 
At least I got some humor out of this thread
07-13-2005, 07:15 PM
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No way on Earth the GTO can hang with the STI, streetlight to streetlight! The GTO would get a good look at it's bump and most likely feel sick as he gets walked by a 4 door sedan.
07-13-2005, 07:56 PM
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Originally Posted by SS4ME
No way on Earth the GTO can hang with the STI, streetlight to streetlight! The GTO would get a good look at it's bump and most likely feel sick as he gets walked by a 4 door sedan.
You are only half incorrect..you say.."no way on Earth"...well, on certain parts of the Earth..such as New Mexico with extremly high elevation will an STi beat an 04 or an 05 GTO properly driven.
Maybe not 0-30...but 1/4 mile and every single roll race are were an 04 GTO should atleast tie (roll race win) and an 05 will beat it 1/4, too.
07-13-2005, 10:28 PM
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... how close are these supposed streetlights? The STi would have a good advantage if it was a short distance and the goat is running on stock tires. Funny thing is many people in the thread are making the 04 out like it's a slow car when stock for stock and mod for mod it'll be faster than an SS even if it weighs as much as a boat..
07-14-2005, 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Flach
Try the SS is no match for either year. I have driven the SS, I have an 04 GTO, not even close.
I have driven both too, nobody wants to listen. They just wanna base the GTO on what other people have done in them, since they have never driven one. I guess they'll learn the hard way. It's time for this thread to die.
07-14-2005, 04:57 PM
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I don't think many people are saying the SS would beat an 04 GTO, it's just not as bad of an a$$ whipping you GTO boys would think. Hey, I would act the same way though if I would have dropped $33,000 on a car that can hardly crack a flat 14! 
You guys are trippen if you think you can hold up against an STI in the 1/4. I bet the STI wins 9 times out of 10.
You guys are trippen if you think you can hold up against an STI in the 1/4. I bet the STI wins 9 times out of 10.
07-14-2005, 06:20 PM
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I highly doubt it, 04's are not that impressive. You obviously haven't raced one because your attitude would be different. I'm talking dead stop too, who cares about the roll. Anyone can race like that. You would have no room for error. For the most part, STI's are error proof. Someday you will learn!
07-14-2005, 06:25 PM
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Originally Posted by HotSauce
I have driven both too, nobody wants to listen. They just wanna base the GTO on what other people have done in them, since they have never driven one. I guess they'll learn the hard way. It's time for this thread to die.
I see you have a GTO, what is your best 1/4 mile time? Have you even taking it to the track? I looked your cardomain web site and it says 13.48/104.75mph was this a stock time or after some mods?
You don't have to replay if you don't want too! Piece!
P.S. nice car!
07-14-2005, 07:03 PM
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Jesus some of you guys are close minded. I know for a fact that the 04 has hit 13.14 and that the 05 has hit 12.9 on average.
The STI will win anything shorter than a 1/4, but compare trap speeds, the 05 will hit 12.9 @ 106-110, and STI will do it in 100-103. Thats what happens when your using AWD to get a killer launch, the STI and Evo especially are geared for short distances via there rally roots, but anything past a 1/4 mile and the GTO will start to show its grunt/gear.
An Sti will be a good run for an 04 from a roll, but the Autos are slower in the 04, and the STI will probably win a stop or roll with an auto 04.
The 05 will beat an Sti from a stop roll, with either tranny, its simply got more power despite its weight.
Come to the board, most people have hit mid 13s with a stock 6 speed 04.
The STI will win anything shorter than a 1/4, but compare trap speeds, the 05 will hit 12.9 @ 106-110, and STI will do it in 100-103. Thats what happens when your using AWD to get a killer launch, the STI and Evo especially are geared for short distances via there rally roots, but anything past a 1/4 mile and the GTO will start to show its grunt/gear.
An Sti will be a good run for an 04 from a roll, but the Autos are slower in the 04, and the STI will probably win a stop or roll with an auto 04.
The 05 will beat an Sti from a stop roll, with either tranny, its simply got more power despite its weight.
Come to the board, most people have hit mid 13s with a stock 6 speed 04.