Cobalt_Daddy

roll racing is to prove who's car is faster... it's not about driver skill at all... hence why it is being used to show the power gains and speed difference the stage 1 kit gives realistically the stage 1 will be faster in the 1/4 no matter what... as long as you have a driver that can use the extra power efficiently there will be no question who is faster in the 1/4.

that is only true when comparing different cars... when comparing the same car with a different tune the stock car should not have an advantage unless the tune destroys the hell out of the power curve which is not likely.

1BADSS/SC

Or you can just run 550 awhp with a 10k redline and make/hold max power all the way to redline.

restonSS

i want vids

cakeeater

And if you're comparing the same car with more power, it should be faster in the 1/4 anyway, so again the roll race is pointless unless one person can't drive. Roll racing is for people that A. can't drive B. Don't have traction and are wasting their time making a bunch of power with no traction. C. Have a bunch o' lag. All are bad.

Mike09SS

from one speed? no a roll to 130 mph will give you the faster car from any start point, 40 30 20 50 60, you name it. it proves what car really moves faster overall, not which car gets off the line faster. a dig race proves what car is quicker from 1 speed...and that is 0.

think of the fastest man in the world, usain bolt. hell he might loose the 40 yard dash to alot of sprinters, but at MAXIMUM speed he is the fastest man in the world. so it would be stupid to say another man is faster just because he gets off the line quicker.

springerdesigner

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where's the vids..?

Mike09SS

the key is "should be" but not always do to driver error my friend. the point is a roll race is going to determine who is REALLY driving the faster car. not the driver.

1BADSS/SC

vids?????

what are these vids u speak of??


We have no vids here...

Cobalt_Daddy

you are right... or it is for someone that likes to race but doesn't like to beat the hell out of his car and spend $$$ on tires, clutches, axles etc. but still likes to go fast. and i think the point of this thread was to show the speed/power difference between the stock SS/TC and the stage 1 SS/TC it will be interesting to say the least to see how much of a difference 20hp and 60lbft will make.

1BADSS/SC

springerdesigner

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I noticed...

exactly.

Cobalt_Daddy

ya if ya feel like robbing a bank lol

cakeeater

What the **** are you talking about? Usain doesn't get a rolling start in his races does he?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFE1ctdRc88

A roll race takes out the MAJORLY IMPORTANT factor of traction. A 60 roll you are completely disregarding low end power, shorter gearing and aerodynamics will even play a part. A dig race proves which car is faster overall because it includes all aspects. in the 1/4 if you can't catch up, your car is ******' slower, simple as that. 0 to ~110 includes traction, low end acceleration, midrange, and getting into the top end. Who gives a **** about speeds after that?

There's a reason roll racing is so popular among ricers. FWD cars with no traction whatsoever because idiots think all that matters is power. If you bet me money that your car was faster than mine what kind of race would you do to prove that? If you said roll I would laugh at you. If anything, a 0-top speed run would be the most accurate, but that's stupid dangerous and different cars have different top speeds. The 1/4 is the most widely accepted way of telling which cars is faster than x the only reason you can't accept that is because you have a fwd car and probably lose more from a dig than a roll. Have you ever been to the track?

Cobalt_Daddy

ok point here is the stage 1 will be faster.. but how much faster?

1BADSS/SC

makes these:

restonSS

^thats disgusting and funny

Mike09SS

no kidding he doesnt get a running start LOL come on man ino your smarter than this. the race is 100 meters not a 40 yard dash. your killin me smalls. point is after 40 yards he destroys everyone. so its dumb to say a 40 yard dash determines the fastest person because they havent maximized their top speed, just who got the best start. get it?


Alot of people give a **** after speeds of 110. look online, youtube has a ton of videos .
I personally give a **** when i know im pulling a guy but his RWD car got the jump on me so he thinks his car is faster. overall its not and we both know it, so why say he is? its dumb. thats all.


edit even if i had a mustang or evo i still wouldnt feel better knowing my car was actually slower .

OneCOLDBIZL272

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Vids of the cars or ban lol

Cobalt_Daddy

i see the point you are trying to make and you are partially right... ... but bah a race is a race and the only things that should be considered is what you are comparing... driver vs driver ... car vs car... drive/car vs driver/car .. etc.
the point being made is the stage 1 will be faster in all respects no matter how you cut it... a 1/4 mile comparison is not needed... besides that it's the cars being compared not the drivers.... the best way to show this is froma roll... otherwise ya got people bitching that the driver sucked and that their stage 1 is wayyyy faster than a stock tc or that they raced a stage 1 and were neck and neck... yada yadda yadda... you know how this goes... just wait for the video and enjoy the difference between the cars... no matter how big or small it may be... it is what it is. and like i said not all of us want to spend money replacing driveline parts and tires because we like to race from a dig

stoon_cobalt_colby

true that man ^

Mike09SS

thank you. thats all im saying. were taking out the drivers aspect thats all. not sure why he cant see that. starting from a dig is different everytime, usually from a 40 roll or 60 roll you have a good consistent showing of what the car is capable of. not bitching about who got the better start all the time.

cakeeater

actually slower because you pull after 110? Well why not just keep going to top speed? A 15 second car can top out at 165, but your 13 second car only 145...eventually if the race keeps going that 15 second car will pull ahead of that 13 second car...by your logic, whichever car has the highest top speed is the overall faster car. You might as well not even race.

By doing a roll race you are completely taking traction out of the equation and altering the effect gearing has on the race. If all sprinters were running the same speed then the race started, bolt may not be the fastest person in the world because all of the factors would change which is exactly what you do when you roll race. You take out the factor of traction because YOU and your roll racing buddies have a major disadvantage in that department. It doesn't change the fact that it is an important part of a car's performance and should be included in the race. If the rest of the word thought like you, sports cars would all be civic hatches with huge turbos because only top end matters

You are basically saying that if a car will eventually pull the other at a high speed, it is the faster car...so whichever car has the higher top speed is the faster car. While technically this is correct because you say faster rather than "quicker" it is a stupid type of logic that completely negates the need for a race.

Think of it this way-

Your car makes 700whp. A base z06 will still be the "faster" car because it will still have a higher top speed. If the race went on long enough, no matter how big your lead was (it would be HUGE), because you accelerated faster, that z06 WILL pass you eventually...so it's the faster car do you see the flaw in your logic here?

Here, a roll race makes sense because this is for comparison purposes, but IT ONLY WORKS WITH CARS THAT HAVE THE SAME GEARING, EFFECTIVE POWERBANDS AND RESISTANCE. My point is, roll racing is usually not a good judge of which car is "faster" because most of the time, different rolls will have different outcomes and you are taking out a lot of factors that would still be included ALONG WITH ALL THE OTHERS in a dig race.


You guys are supporting roll racing as the end all be all of which car is faster in any scenario and that is far from the truth, that's why I'm arguing with you. Roll racing will forever be the ricer's answer to traction problems.

Cobalt_Daddy

everyone flood slow sho with emails til he gives in and posts the vid hahaha hurry man i gotta go see avatar tonight and don't want this dilemma distracting me from enjoying the movie :P

P.S. side note it is hard to see avatar unless you book your tickets in advance gebus... always sold out. passed the 1 billion profit mark and still going strong :S

sadly most sports cars nowadays are just that... lol or at least that's what the younger generation thinks (god i feel old saying that )

but on that note it's two exact same cobalts being compared so those factors shouldn't be an issue since both cars should be equal in those aspects..other than the slight power gain the stage 1 has .. so as much as you do have somewhat of a valid point... it doesn't apply to this situation

Mike09SS

i never said id pull after 110. im saying your giving the driver the advantage by starting at 0. even if it was two cobalts lined up, advantage to the driver. not the car. if i make 20 whp more than the guy next to me and he is a fantastic drivea id assume hed still have me in the 1/4. from a 40 roll though id have him. so i dont consider him faster, i just consider him the better driver. if he drove my car hed beat me even worse, thats all im saying. for you guys who like to drag thats fine thats a skill that i respect, i just dont agree that always determines the fastest car. to each their own.

lol i duno if the world would turn to big turbo civics, it would still be turbo v8s. they would obviously still reign supreme if you heavily modded both.

cakeeater

Yes, but you're thinking the good driver gives the slower car an advantage, but in reality it's the bad driver in the other car that takes away from the capabilities of the faster car. Assuming two good drivers, a dig race will always show which car is faster overall. if you want, you can draw the dig out to a higher speed, but a dig will include ALL factors while a roll will not. That's the point. When you compare two things, you compare all factors, you don't take out the factors that give one car an advantage or you might as well just race two identical cars with identical power output.