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Stage 1 SS/TC vs Stock SS/TC
01-08-2010, 04:36 PM
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Yes, but you're thinking the good driver gives the slower car an advantage, but in reality it's the bad driver in the other car that takes away from the capabilities of the faster car. Assuming two good drivers, a dig race will always show which car is faster overall. if you want, you can draw the dig out to a higher speed, but a dig will include ALL factors while a roll will not. That's the point. When you compare two things, you compare all factors, you don't take out the factors that would make things uneven or you might as well just race two identical cars with identical power output.
01-08-2010, 07:19 PM
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LOL.. True that.. OK.. today is the next day in question. The video should be up by now. You have had your fun on watching us gripe and rip into one another. Fun non the less, but pointless.
01-08-2010, 09:52 PM
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I bet its going to be closer than most people think... from what i've seen the legit tunes are of course the most aggressive/best performers... the trifecta/superchips seem to pull about the same(and dyno about the same)... the GMS1 just doesn't seem to pull as hard as the other canned tunes.. I haven't even seen a pull with a Hahn so I don't know about it
01-09-2010, 12:17 AM
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01-09-2010, 01:19 AM
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actually slower because you pull after 110? Well why not just keep going to top speed? A 15 second car can top out at 165, but your 13 second car only 145...eventually if the race keeps going that 15 second car will pull ahead of that 13 second car...by your logic, whichever car has the highest top speed is the overall faster car. You might as well not even race.
By doing a roll race you are completely taking traction out of the equation and altering the effect gearing has on the race. If all sprinters were running the same speed then the race started, bolt may not be the fastest person in the world because all of the factors would change which is exactly what you do when you roll race. You take out the factor of traction because YOU and your roll racing buddies have a major disadvantage in that department. It doesn't change the fact that it is an important part of a car's performance and should be included in the race. If the rest of the word thought like you, sports cars would all be civic hatches with huge turbos because only top end matters
You are basically saying that if a car will eventually pull the other at a high speed, it is the faster car...so whichever car has the higher top speed is the faster car. While technically this is correct because you say faster rather than "quicker" it is a stupid type of logic that completely negates the need for a race.
Think of it this way-
Your car makes 700whp. A base z06 will still be the "faster" car because it will still have a higher top speed. If the race went on long enough, no matter how big your lead was (it would be HUGE), because you accelerated faster, that z06 WILL pass you eventually...so it's the faster car do you see the flaw in your logic here?
Here, a roll race makes sense because this is for comparison purposes, but IT ONLY WORKS WITH CARS THAT HAVE THE SAME GEARING, EFFECTIVE POWERBANDS AND RESISTANCE. My point is, roll racing is usually not a good judge of which car is "faster" because most of the time, different rolls will have different outcomes and you are taking out a lot of factors that would still be included ALONG WITH ALL THE OTHERS in a dig race.
You guys are supporting roll racing as the end all be all of which car is faster in any scenario and that is far from the truth, that's why I'm arguing with you. Roll racing will forever be the ricer's answer to traction problems.
By doing a roll race you are completely taking traction out of the equation and altering the effect gearing has on the race. If all sprinters were running the same speed then the race started, bolt may not be the fastest person in the world because all of the factors would change which is exactly what you do when you roll race. You take out the factor of traction because YOU and your roll racing buddies have a major disadvantage in that department. It doesn't change the fact that it is an important part of a car's performance and should be included in the race. If the rest of the word thought like you, sports cars would all be civic hatches with huge turbos because only top end matters
You are basically saying that if a car will eventually pull the other at a high speed, it is the faster car...so whichever car has the higher top speed is the faster car. While technically this is correct because you say faster rather than "quicker" it is a stupid type of logic that completely negates the need for a race.
Think of it this way-
Your car makes 700whp. A base z06 will still be the "faster" car because it will still have a higher top speed. If the race went on long enough, no matter how big your lead was (it would be HUGE), because you accelerated faster, that z06 WILL pass you eventually...so it's the faster car
do you see the flaw in your logic here?Here, a roll race makes sense because this is for comparison purposes, but IT ONLY WORKS WITH CARS THAT HAVE THE SAME GEARING, EFFECTIVE POWERBANDS AND RESISTANCE. My point is, roll racing is usually not a good judge of which car is "faster" because most of the time, different rolls will have different outcomes and you are taking out a lot of factors that would still be included ALONG WITH ALL THE OTHERS in a dig race.
You guys are supporting roll racing as the end all be all of which car is faster in any scenario and that is far from the truth, that's why I'm arguing with you. Roll racing will forever be the ricer's answer to traction problems.
01-09-2010, 03:12 AM
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i hate to say it buddy but your logic is flawed... roll races do have an end you know... race up to a certain speed... IE if the car hasn't passed you by 120mph then you win and you're faster... same logic as 1/4 mile... the top speed of the car has no bearing on whether or not it is "faster" how it performs from the starting speed to the end speed is what matters.
Keep in mind the car in front may not necessarily be the first one to reach 120. If the one in the back is gaining, it is accelerating faster and would eventually overtake the other, so who's to say it's not the "faster" car?If I'm asking someone how quick their car is, I don't want to hear their 60-120 speeds
01-09-2010, 08:59 AM
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01-09-2010, 11:15 AM
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yep... lets face it majority of the time i get a car pull up that wants to play with me it's on my highway commute home. and again... this vid is to compare two of the same cars one with a tune... it's the only way to compare them fairly without having people bitch that the other driver sucked, other lane wasn't prepped properly, tires were worn out, etc. or that with them driving the outcome would be different. speed is speed... just because a z06 has shitty bald tires on the back doesn't make it slower because it can't get traction initially and falls behind a slower car... because once both cars are moving it's the faster car that wins.. traction doesn't become a factor. and a car isn't measured in speed by how good it's tires are i'm sorry... it's all about power.
01-09-2010, 05:07 PM
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it's not the capture device it's the video editing to make the stock tc win that's taking so long :P
i swear to god this better happen before tomorrow night cuz i sail for a month and won't get to see it til i hit shore.
i swear to god this better happen before tomorrow night cuz i sail for a month and won't get to see it til i hit shore.
Last edited by Cobalt_Daddy; 01-09-2010 at 10:29 PM.