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Old 05-14-2006, 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by CynicX
I like it alot. Pretty conserative but that keeps me from blowing anything up
I am getting a turboXS turbo back soon... just trying to find out who to have it tune since I won't be able to get dyno tuned for awhile.

Whats better accessPORT or UTEC?
Old 05-14-2006, 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by PaulSS
can anyone rehost this vid... putfile wont play this vid for me for some reason...
What prob are you having? I cant get putfile to work with firefox very well. But it works fine with Internet Explorer. Might also want to try clearing the cache...
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How would you figure my car isn't running right? The thing JUST hit 10k miles and has NEVER had any problems.....until I see another video of ANYBODY running an STI I dont think I did too bad. I love how people use internet figures to assume outcomes of races. All cars are not built equal, which is very apparent because my friends STOCK 350z can run with a lotus elise from 20-140....Ive seen it happen. I have no idea how much power my car even makes since it's never been dyno'd. But still....Im happy because he paid 30+ for his car and mine was about 20+mods...I dont even plan on keeping this car that long anyway.....it's just holding me over until the new camaro is released
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i was lookin at the evo's mods and i don't understand what a MBC and a 3" Turbo back is?????
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Subaru's specs for the 2006 STI are 300hp and 300lbs-ft. I think it's pretty darn impressive that a Stage 2 SS/SC can even come close with a 59hp disadvantage. Nothing to be ashamed about at all there.
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Originally Posted by A20
i was lookin at the evo's mods and i don't understand what a MBC and a 3" Turbo back is?????

MBC is manual boost controller and 3" Turbo Back Exhaust (downpipe and cat back)
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MSNBC would've put him close to 500 HP
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Originally Posted by articzap
MBC is manual boost controller and 3" Turbo Back Exhaust (downpipe and cat back)
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Old 05-14-2006, 07:28 PM
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Originally Posted by 06G5GT
Subaru's specs for the 2006 STI are 300hp and 300lbs-ft. I think it's pretty darn impressive that a Stage 2 SS/SC can even come close with a 59hp disadvantage. Nothing to be ashamed about at all there.
Keep in mind the STi is heavy....its even a lil heavier than a WRX. besides...its quite well known that awd isn't the greatest from a roll, so that could make up for the 50ish hp. Also the bloody thing was stock. A lil reflash and exhaust can wake up that STi. The EVO..well that's another story. lucky bastards get 16G turbo's stock!
Old 05-14-2006, 07:31 PM
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Originally Posted by 06G5GT
Subaru's specs for the 2006 STI are 300hp and 300lbs-ft. I think it's pretty darn impressive that a Stage 2 SS/SC can even come close with a 59hp disadvantage. Nothing to be ashamed about at all there.
Ya must realize out of that 300 around 240-250hp actaully makes it to the wheels. As well being around 3300 lbs.
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pretty sweet video
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Originally Posted by CynicX
Someone do the math.....

Stock STI : 239 HP, 248 TQ, 3351 LBS

Stage 2 Cobalt SS/SC : 241 HP, 218 TQ, 2991 LBS (I pulled those numbers from GM, is that what everyone seems to be running?)

If those numbers are acturate I dont see how the Cobalt would pull alot on a stock STI. Maybe a little if my numbers are off, or if the STI driver sucks....
I'm just going to guess that the better gearing the STi has, as well as the better mid-range power will help. Although, I think the numbers you have are the ones that cobb has on their site, which is a Mustang dyno. I think the 240 FWHP for the Cobalt is a dynojet.

STi's, as you probably know, get a lot of flack by people for being poor from a roll. I think sometimes people forget that it does have a pretty decent amount of power (and the fact that I am going to guess that people in some of these races are shifting at red line the whole time in the STi...not the best idea)

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Old 05-14-2006, 11:38 PM
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im not trying to diss your car at all, just saying that i changed some stuff on mine and without the proper setup, it doesnt run like it should. yours could be doing that too. there doesnt have to be something wrong with the car itself, maybe just the setup you have going(the tune possibly). i would be happy with this video as well, but i would be even happier if it showed me pulling on an STi, which you very well can with what you have. great video though, what kind of camera are yall using??? mine doesnt show **** at night!
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Also for some reason....on this forum it seems....that people think the cobalt is like the fastest car ever created. I would like to tell those people, who live in their own reality, that sorry it's not. These cars can be had for under 20k. Sure it's not a bad little car for what you pay. But stock for stock you are not keeping up with an STI, and you WILL lose real bad. For what these cars are they aren't bad at ALL. But those cars that I attempted to race are on a completely different level. I want to see someone else race an STI from 30-120 with the same mods as myself and post the video....it will more than likely be the same outcome....
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o and unless GM's reflashes aren't right than my tune is fine
Old 05-14-2006, 11:46 PM
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Originally Posted by p7x
Ya must realize out of that 300 around 240-250hp actaully makes it to the wheels. As well being around 3300 lbs.
Exactly. Stock for stock an STI will walk a Cobalt SS S/C from a roll, but with a Stage 2 the Cobalt should beat it no problem.
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^^Coming from the guy with 7 post on here...

No way should a stage 2 beat a stock sti. sti has way better gearing for rolls and a much better power band. id go out on a limb to say the sti is throwin down about 260-270 awhp.
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Originally Posted by articzap
No way should a stage 2 beat a stock sti. sti has way better gearing for rolls and a much better power band. id go out on a limb to say the sti is throwin down about 260-270 awhp.
Not even close. Stock STi's put down between 230-240WHP, never seen any more than that. When you factor in AWD drivetrain loss on 300HP, those numbers are about right.

It also weighs considerably more than an SS S/C, by over 300lbs, so I don't see how a Stage 2 SS S/C would have trouble beating one from a roll.
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excuse me while I go and BEAT MY HEAD AGAINST A WALL....STI's have better gearing. I hit every shift right at 7k and was like 1/2 car behind at the most......Ill have to race him again and have someone film it from his car so all these people who use INTERNET FIGURES to determine their races can see that it's DEAD even at best.....if you don't believe me then go and race one for yourself....
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Originally Posted by AmericanMuscle
Not even close. Stock STi's put down between 230-240WHP, never seen any more than that. When you factor in AWD drivetrain loss on 300HP, those numbers are about right.

It also weighs considerably more than an SS S/C, by over 300lbs, so I don't see how a Stage 2 SS S/C would have trouble beating one from a roll.
ok so maybe they are more towards 240 whp....but hes throwin that hp out at wat, 3500 rpm well the cobalt doesnt hit its peak hp till hmm 7000 rpm. curves are more then numbers
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when you raced the sti what gear did you start in?
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Personally I think a 20k car with about a grand in mods just being able to keep up with a stock 30k car is pretty damn good.... Just my .02 .
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Originally Posted by AmericanMuscle
Not even close. Stock STi's put down between 230-240WHP, never seen any more than that. When you factor in AWD drivetrain loss on 300HP, those numbers are about right.

It also weighs considerably more than an SS S/C, by over 300lbs, so I don't see how a Stage 2 SS S/C would have trouble beating one from a roll.

On mustang dynos/dyno dynamics dynos put those numbers out. On a dynojet, which is what you are measuring the Stage 2 Cobalt at, they are 245-260. I just went looking through an STi dyno database on a forum and found more cars that dynod at 250+ stock then ones that dynod at >250.
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Originally Posted by AmericanMuscle
Exactly. Stock for stock an STI will walk a Cobalt SS S/C from a roll, but with a Stage 2 the Cobalt should beat it no problem.
you're telling me this why?
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Originally Posted by TheExorcist
Also for some reason....on this forum it seems....that people think the cobalt is like the fastest car ever created. I would like to tell those people, who live in their own reality, that sorry it's not. These cars can be had for under 20k. Sure it's not a bad little car for what you pay. But stock for stock you are not keeping up with an STI, and you WILL lose real bad. For what these cars are they aren't bad at ALL. But those cars that I attempted to race are on a completely different level. I want to see someone else race an STI from 30-120 with the same mods as myself and post the video....it will more than likely be the same outcome....
i put money they way your car was running in that vid that a stock srt-4 would win against you that alone should say that your car ain't running right. So now your saying the cobalt needs stage 2 to run with a stock sti stock srt-4 and stock evo. Somethings wrong with your car trust me. time to start checking the cat, its owned plenty of us on here before its probly owning you as we speak.


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