Stock 2000 Si vs 2.4SS
03-23-2008, 06:21 PM
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First off...it is a very real possibility that a honda is faster than our cars.
Oh well, get over yourselves.
Seriously, now do I believe that a vtec honda beat a cobalt up top?
Of course I do! That is what those cars are made to do...and jesus ******* ******* bleeding from shitting barbed wire christ will people stop quoting carrol shelby!!!!
Most F1 and champ cars have like 900-1100 HP and like 200 lb-ft of tq.
They are the fastest machines in the world. Tell me how my 45-50 lb-ft of tq won't make most of the cars out on the road look retarded for trying to race me. It isn't all about tq, there is gearing and weight issues too.
That is why 400+hp cars exist that struggle to get into the 12s and yet it is possible for a 300whp (insert generic sport compact car) can run 12s.
People need to shut the hell up and get over the fact that:
1. There are faster cars than Cobalts out there
2. Some of them are Hondas.
/end ******* rant and thread
Oh well, get over yourselves.
Seriously, now do I believe that a vtec honda beat a cobalt up top?
Of course I do! That is what those cars are made to do...and jesus ******* ******* bleeding from shitting barbed wire christ will people stop quoting carrol shelby!!!!
Most F1 and champ cars have like 900-1100 HP and like 200 lb-ft of tq.
They are the fastest machines in the world. Tell me how my 45-50 lb-ft of tq won't make most of the cars out on the road look retarded for trying to race me. It isn't all about tq, there is gearing and weight issues too.
That is why 400+hp cars exist that struggle to get into the 12s and yet it is possible for a 300whp (insert generic sport compact car) can run 12s.
People need to shut the hell up and get over the fact that:
1. There are faster cars than Cobalts out there
2. Some of them are Hondas.
/end ******* rant and thread
03-23-2008, 08:26 PM
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I was in my friends bone stock 2000 Civic Si with 150,000 miles on it last night. We were at a light and some cocky ass kid in a 2.4SS was giving us revs through his n1 cannon. So he at least had a muffler on it, probably a few bolt ons, but we'll just say he had a muffler. He was also by himself.
So anyway my friend drives his car pretty well, he launched good but the 2.4SS launched just a little better (amazing this moron could actually drive). They both hit 2nd about the same time with us a half car back. Through second gear we were inching back on him, we both hit 3rd about the same time with the race being nose to nose but the Si was pulling. In 3rd we started leaving him pretty good, by the time we hit 4th ~95mph we were out a solid 2 cars and pulling.
Good times
BTW, this Si is the one with 160hp and nothing for TORQUE. Not that a tq rating means anything at all...
So anyway my friend drives his car pretty well, he launched good but the 2.4SS launched just a little better (amazing this moron could actually drive). They both hit 2nd about the same time with us a half car back. Through second gear we were inching back on him, we both hit 3rd about the same time with the race being nose to nose but the Si was pulling. In 3rd we started leaving him pretty good, by the time we hit 4th ~95mph we were out a solid 2 cars and pulling.
Good times
BTW, this Si is the one with 160hp and nothing for TORQUE. Not that a tq rating means anything at all...
TQ is the actual force the engine exerts so yeah its pretty important. HP is a byproduct of TQ. It is basically the ability to do a said amount of work over time. So basically TQ is the force you feel, HP is how efficiently the force is used.
03-23-2008, 08:40 PM
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First off...it is a very real possibility that a honda is faster than our cars.
Oh well, get over yourselves.
Seriously, now do I believe that a vtec honda beat a cobalt up top?
Of course I do! That is what those cars are made to do...and jesus ******* ******* bleeding from shitting barbed wire christ will people stop quoting carrol shelby!!!!
Most F1 and champ cars have like 900-1100 HP and like 200 lb-ft of tq.
They are the fastest machines in the world. Tell me how my 45-50 lb-ft of tq won't make most of the cars out on the road look retarded for trying to race me. It isn't all about tq, there is gearing and weight issues too.
That is why 400+hp cars exist that struggle to get into the 12s and yet it is possible for a 300whp (insert generic sport compact car) can run 12s.
People need to shut the hell up and get over the fact that:
1. There are faster cars than Cobalts out there
2. Some of them are Hondas.
/end ******* rant and thread
Oh well, get over yourselves.
Seriously, now do I believe that a vtec honda beat a cobalt up top?
Of course I do! That is what those cars are made to do...and jesus ******* ******* bleeding from shitting barbed wire christ will people stop quoting carrol shelby!!!!
Most F1 and champ cars have like 900-1100 HP and like 200 lb-ft of tq.
They are the fastest machines in the world. Tell me how my 45-50 lb-ft of tq won't make most of the cars out on the road look retarded for trying to race me. It isn't all about tq, there is gearing and weight issues too.
That is why 400+hp cars exist that struggle to get into the 12s and yet it is possible for a 300whp (insert generic sport compact car) can run 12s.
People need to shut the hell up and get over the fact that:
1. There are faster cars than Cobalts out there
2. Some of them are Hondas.
/end ******* rant and thread
PLEASE don't tell me you think torque is insignificant as well.........
Where the **** do some people get their logic? Torque is as "irrelevant" as weight. You can build a race car to suit your needs for ANYTHING out there. Torque is needed to get a car moving period, so to say that it is "irrelevant" is stupid. Yes you can compensate for low torque by gutting a car like those dopey ricer idiots, but that's like grafting on a ball park frank because your 2" just doesn't cut it when it comes to vagina (Oh well, I may have two inches, but I rocked her world). Who cares if you rocked her world, you're still 2"........Get a clue........
03-23-2008, 08:44 PM
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I call total bullshit.
Stock 2000 Civic Si runs a 15.6-15.7.
Cobalt LS has even came in with times comparable.
Cobalt 2.4SS IS faster than Stock 2000 SI. End of story.
Stock 2000 Civic Si runs a 15.6-15.7.
Cobalt LS has even came in with times comparable.
Cobalt 2.4SS IS faster than Stock 2000 SI. End of story.
03-23-2008, 09:48 PM
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PLEASE don't tell me you think torque is insignificant as well.........
Where the **** do some people get their logic? Torque is as "irrelevant" as weight. You can build a race car to suit your needs for ANYTHING out there. Torque is needed to get a car moving period, so to say that it is "irrelevant" is stupid. Yes you can compensate for low torque by gutting a car like those dopey ricer idiots, but that's like grafting on a ball park frank because your 2" just doesn't cut it when it comes to vagina (Oh well, I may have two inches, but I rocked her world). Who cares if you rocked her world, you're still 2"........Get a clue........
Where the **** do some people get their logic? Torque is as "irrelevant" as weight. You can build a race car to suit your needs for ANYTHING out there. Torque is needed to get a car moving period, so to say that it is "irrelevant" is stupid. Yes you can compensate for low torque by gutting a car like those dopey ricer idiots, but that's like grafting on a ball park frank because your 2" just doesn't cut it when it comes to vagina (Oh well, I may have two inches, but I rocked her world). Who cares if you rocked her world, you're still 2"........Get a clue........
How come sportbikes are faster with less hp and tq?
Power to weight...it is how a Lotus Elise is fast too, but since they are torqueless wonders as well they must be slow.
TDI Jettas are the fastest 4 cyl you can buy. Hands down. They have more torque than most.
******* christ a honda beat a cobalt and everyone is up in arms
People need to learn some new ******* quotes and not care if something beats something. There will always be something faster than you...period...
That is my case I was trying to make. Fuckface up there talking about dicksize lost me about third word into his second sentence.
Get a half a clue, then work slowly to a whole clue and maybe, just maybe you will be able to comprehend what I said in my previous post.
Does it say that tq is insignificant in my first post fuckface?
ZOMG IT DOESN'T. Give yourself a huge ******* star man! Bravo! Seriously I said the world of fast cars does NOT revolve around torque and pointed out that the fastest of fast cars are not torque monsters.
So lessons learned?
******* learn to ******* read before for EPICLY failing to try to bust my *****.
"Well Steve what about the audi race TDIs asstwat?"
Yeah so what, there has been less torque cars since them that have ran faster times. And F1 cars are still faster.
It's ok people, Hondas can be fast to...and why can't people get that maybe the 2.4 driver was a ******* retard too?
Oh no, instead act like the ******* world is coming to a motherfucking end.
03-23-2008, 10:12 PM
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Hey Steddy, I share the frustration with people quoting Shelby, especially when they take the statement at face value (BTW... I think he was right, just not for the reasons most people think of, PM me if you're interested).
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First off...it is a very real possibility that a honda is faster than our cars.
Oh well, get over yourselves.
Seriously, now do I believe that a vtec honda beat a cobalt up top?
Of course I do! That is what those cars are made to do...and jesus ******* ******* bleeding from shitting barbed wire christ will people stop quoting carrol shelby!!!!
Most F1 and champ cars have like 900-1100 HP and like 200 lb-ft of tq.
They are the fastest machines in the world. Tell me how my 45-50 lb-ft of tq won't make most of the cars out on the road look retarded for trying to race me. It isn't all about tq, there is gearing and weight issues too.
That is why 400+hp cars exist that struggle to get into the 12s and yet it is possible for a 300whp (insert generic sport compact car) can run 12s.
People need to shut the hell up and get over the fact that:
1. There are faster cars than Cobalts out there
2. Some of them are Hondas.
/end ******* rant and thread
Oh well, get over yourselves.
Seriously, now do I believe that a vtec honda beat a cobalt up top?
Of course I do! That is what those cars are made to do...and jesus ******* ******* bleeding from shitting barbed wire christ will people stop quoting carrol shelby!!!!
Most F1 and champ cars have like 900-1100 HP and like 200 lb-ft of tq.
They are the fastest machines in the world. Tell me how my 45-50 lb-ft of tq won't make most of the cars out on the road look retarded for trying to race me. It isn't all about tq, there is gearing and weight issues too.
That is why 400+hp cars exist that struggle to get into the 12s and yet it is possible for a 300whp (insert generic sport compact car) can run 12s.
People need to shut the hell up and get over the fact that:
1. There are faster cars than Cobalts out there
2. Some of them are Hondas.
/end ******* rant and thread
Just found this part here really amusing, especially coming from a V8 owner...
TQ is the actual force the engine exerts so yeah its pretty important. HP is a byproduct of TQ. It is basically the ability to do a said amount of work over time. So basically TQ is the force you feel, HP is how efficiently the force is used.
TQ is the actual force the engine exerts so yeah its pretty important. HP is a byproduct of TQ. It is basically the ability to do a said amount of work over time. So basically TQ is the force you feel, HP is how efficiently the force is used.
Sorry but it's feasible that a car with 100ft/lbs of tq that weighed 3000lbs could shatter the life of a car that made 400 ft/lbs of tq and weighs 3000lbs.
Thank you.
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03-24-2008, 01:45 AM
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they have about 195 whp stock and have no torque but weigh 2000 lbs less. Cobalts can have from 205-220 whp stock and way more torque. I beat him everytime from a roll but he would smoke me from a dig.
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just because you saw ONE race happen like that doesn't mean you can assume this outcome would happen in EVERY situation like that.
