TC vs 5.0?
07-06-2012, 03:35 PM
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I don't know why everyone is getting so hung up on the weight reduction idea. It free to pull out the jack and spare, and a minor cost to swap the battery or something like that. Plus if he gets a catless DP there should be some weight savings there too, same with a muffler delete. All I'm saying is that the little things add up, and from the outside no one will be any wiser and his streetability will go unchanged. If its going to be a close race, he might as well do what he can. Plus I'm all for this guy beating his Dad's 5.0 just because it sounds like his Dad is doing a little trash talking, which isn't a bad thing it just motivates people. It'll be funny when his Dad's dream car is tied with a mildly modded 4 banger.
07-06-2012, 03:49 PM
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Its to bad e85 isnt accessible to everyone. I have all the usual bolt ons with a 23psi e85 trifecta tune and it makes new mustangs look silly, not to mention all the other F-bodies and srt 4s that get a good hurtin. The look on there face at the next stoplight is priceless. E85 is amazing in these LNFs.
07-06-2012, 03:53 PM
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^ I think you mean CH3NO2, AKA: Nitromethane, or Nirtomethanol. Just make sure you tune for it, that 2:1 afr will do a number to your fuel trims if you don't 
I think, it might just explode untuned, I don't know Nothing like 600 whp on the stock turbo 
I think, it might just explode untuned, I don't know Nothing like 600 whp on the stock turbo
07-06-2012, 04:01 PM
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2005 Ford Mustang GT (4.6L V8) 0-60 mph 5.0 Quarter mile 13.3 <----- I love this car!
2011 Ford Mustang GT 5.0 0-60 mph 4.5(MT Time) Quarter Mile 13.0 1/4 mile trap speed will likely be around 2 mph better with the manual transmission with that 20 rwhp difference over the automatic. However, I suspect that the actual ET's will be quite similar - maybe just 1-2 tenths different at the very most - as the automatic looks like it'll have a much steeper 1st gear to counter the steeper rear end gears available with the manuals.
vs
2009 Chevy Cobalt SS (2.0L Turbo) 0-60 mph 5.7 Quarter mile 13.8
in a straight line the Stang will kick our bolt butts. (all being fair and stock that is)..AT is lame though. Your dad should buy a used AMG and enjoy a fun automatic tranny in an s65 AMG Sedan (2007 Mercedes S65 AMG 0-60 mph 4.1 Quarter Mile 12.2)
2011 Ford Mustang GT 5.0 0-60 mph 4.5(MT Time) Quarter Mile 13.0 1/4 mile trap speed will likely be around 2 mph better with the manual transmission with that 20 rwhp difference over the automatic. However, I suspect that the actual ET's will be quite similar - maybe just 1-2 tenths different at the very most - as the automatic looks like it'll have a much steeper 1st gear to counter the steeper rear end gears available with the manuals.
vs
2009 Chevy Cobalt SS (2.0L Turbo) 0-60 mph 5.7 Quarter mile 13.8
in a straight line the Stang will kick our bolt butts. (all being fair and stock that is)..AT is lame though. Your dad should buy a used AMG and enjoy a fun automatic tranny in an s65 AMG Sedan (2007 Mercedes S65 AMG 0-60 mph 4.1 Quarter Mile 12.2)
07-06-2012, 04:14 PM
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Lol, i don't know about a new 5.0, but the last model is slow, my sc stage 3 on e85 destroyed one, I mean destroyed, and that was with a terrible launch on my part... It was bad enough for him to cut through traffic as fast as he could to get away from the cobalt that just smashed his old man hopes and dreams. But again, I don't know too much bout the new model.
07-06-2012, 04:59 PM
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2005 Ford Mustang GT (4.6L V8) 0-60 mph 5.0 Quarter mile 13.3 <----- I love this car!
2011 Ford Mustang GT 5.0 0-60 mph 4.5(MT Time) Quarter Mile 13.0 1/4 mile trap speed will likely be around 2 mph better with the manual transmission with that 20 rwhp difference over the automatic. However, I suspect that the actual ET's will be quite similar - maybe just 1-2 tenths different at the very most - as the automatic looks like it'll have a much steeper 1st gear to counter the steeper rear end gears available with the manuals.
vs
2009 Chevy Cobalt SS (2.0L Turbo) 0-60 mph 5.7 Quarter mile 13.8
in a straight line the Stang will kick our bolt butts. (all being fair and stock that is)..AT is lame though. Your dad should buy a used AMG and enjoy a fun automatic tranny in an s65 AMG Sedan (2007 Mercedes S65 AMG 0-60 mph 4.1 Quarter Mile 12.2)
2011 Ford Mustang GT 5.0 0-60 mph 4.5(MT Time) Quarter Mile 13.0 1/4 mile trap speed will likely be around 2 mph better with the manual transmission with that 20 rwhp difference over the automatic. However, I suspect that the actual ET's will be quite similar - maybe just 1-2 tenths different at the very most - as the automatic looks like it'll have a much steeper 1st gear to counter the steeper rear end gears available with the manuals.
vs
2009 Chevy Cobalt SS (2.0L Turbo) 0-60 mph 5.7 Quarter mile 13.8
in a straight line the Stang will kick our bolt butts. (all being fair and stock that is)..AT is lame though. Your dad should buy a used AMG and enjoy a fun automatic tranny in an s65 AMG Sedan (2007 Mercedes S65 AMG 0-60 mph 4.1 Quarter Mile 12.2)
if you want to have fun in ANY automatic... it better be in an AMG....
s65 is pretty pricey tho... but any 65 should be fun stuff...
800+ wtq bone stock with only a tune!? hahaha
07-06-2012, 10:18 PM
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And people in this thread, my dad will be paying for my tune. I'm responsible for correspondence and the shipping and receiving involved with the whole process. He has a 6.2 Denali he's supping up a bit first anyhow. And my Balt should be tuned long before he buys a car.
The point of the thread is can I hang with a stock mustang 5.0 with a cobalt TC with $140 thrown into it. From my understanding no, but it would be really similar out on the highway.
07-07-2012, 05:10 AM
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A lot is going to play into this, but let's look power to weight ratios. They have 412 bhp, and weigh 3,575 lbs. Stock we are 260 bhp, and weigh 2,960 lbs iirc. Assuming he only loses 15% through the drivetrain, he will have 350 whp. This comes out to roughly 10 lbs/hp. Basically in order to be "equal" to him for a roll race you will need 300ish whp. Basically a tune and a downpipe. Now if you want to really pull him in a roll you will need an e47 tune + bolt ons. To make it hurt even more, pull your spare tire and jack out, and swap your battery out for a lightweight one and you will pull approximately 60 lbs off so that you should be sitting at 2,900 lbs, with full fluids in the car. If you get 330 whp and the weight down to 2,900 lbs, you would be sitting roughly at 8.8 lbs/hp. 330 whp should be achievable without an E blend, just a good tune and bolt ons.
Oh and e47 is just a blend of 50/50, e85 and premium gas
Oh and e47 is just a blend of 50/50, e85 and premium gas
07-07-2012, 03:34 PM
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even if he removes 100lbs that is only good for about 1/10 of a second. That is .1 that is less than a a tires width moving at those speeds. Its not worth the trouble, the only time removing **** is worth while is when everything is going, glass included, and you are trying for the best possible time you can get. Otherwise just leave the damn parts in place. Cause won't you feel like a douche when you go through that trouble and still lose to a full interior stock car?
07-07-2012, 04:02 PM
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even if he removes 100lbs that is only good for about 1/10 of a second. That is .1 that is less than a a tires width moving at those speeds. Its not worth the trouble, the only time removing **** is worth while is when everything is going, glass included, and you are trying for the best possible time you can get. Otherwise just leave the damn parts in place. Cause won't you feel like a douche when you go through that trouble and still lose to a full interior stock car?
07-07-2012, 04:09 PM
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You can come down to NH and see what the outcome would be 
Stock vs stock, the stang hands down
Now you with a tune and the mustang stock, I would say it would be close but I would still give the slight edge to the mustang...
Hell I'm sure theres one in your area, go race it and see what happens
Stock vs stock, the stang hands down
Now you with a tune and the mustang stock, I would say it would be close but I would still give the slight edge to the mustang...
Hell I'm sure theres one in your area, go race it and see what happens
07-07-2012, 04:12 PM
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You're right, your online calculators are better than a few hundred passes down the track. **** it guy tear out your interior and let us know how many car lengths you pick up
07-07-2012, 05:14 PM
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I either lose or I don't. But you also see my 350Z is stock and I don't bother to pull the floor mats out to race either. You go to the track and go find out just what a 1/10 of a second looks like. Then you can come back and tell us how close your internet calculator was.
07-07-2012, 06:19 PM
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stock 5.0s and I mean 100% stock cut 12.8s easy.. stock for stock, you'll get walked, I know this because I used to run my ss/tc with my friends 5.0 all the time, stock vs stock, he raped me, I got a 24psi trifecta tune, 3in catless downpipe, 3in exhaust, K&N SRi, and a treadstone FMIC, him still being stock, we ran again, he still pulled, not by much but he pulled. It also depends on his gears, are they the 331s? or the 373s? that past years mustang GTs were almost a joke, but the new 5.0s, you can actually consider them a muscle car.
07-07-2012, 07:00 PM
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There's tons of factors affecting the outcome of a race that we can not predict. All of the above is pure speculation. You will never know the outcome of the race until you actually race. So go line them up and report back.
07-07-2012, 07:45 PM
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Thats the plan, physically stock vs physically stock. Then with the $140 computer tune engaged.
Anyways, it should be a good video and should be a good example of what a ghetto value tune can do for a physically unmodified TC! I don't expect to win! So lets keep that in mind lol...
Anyways, it should be a good video and should be a good example of what a ghetto value tune can do for a physically unmodified TC! I don't expect to win! So lets keep that in mind lol...
07-07-2012, 07:52 PM
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