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Old 01-21-2010, 07:26 AM
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stock I ran a 13.7@103.8 @ Bradenton. Ricer wing and all. Tuned with Hahn CAI, Termitune, Catless DP, and Catback straightpipe I ran a 12.7 @ 114.3. Again at bradenton. Here in AZ where the lowest alt track is firebird at phoenix. I ran a 13.4 at 110 with shitty tires and a 2.3 60 ft. (Trifecta tune, Airbox mod, Synapse catless and borla catback. The new camaro SS's were running 14.0-14.2's there (Saw one push a 13.9 @ 100.).

I ran an M3 that day and a WS6. The M3 ran a 14.3@101, and the WS6 Ran a 13.8@100. (Altitude)
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Originally Posted by slowstang
I'd be willing to bet my 13.5 run was at -1500 if not -2000 that day. No trick to anything with the car...just good track prep and weather. With that being said I have ran one 13.7 and a bunch of 13.8s at 103mph. The car has even trapped 103.2mph on a 95 degree day.
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Old 01-21-2010, 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Mike09SS
11.8 second pass i know i must be dumb.
tuned tcs trapping 103-105....are you high? thats stock...

enough said there.





i never said you didnt have a cobalt. i have no idea what cars you have.

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Old 01-21-2010, 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by T-Man
G8 GT is a 103-105 traps car but from a roll the TM doesn't have much if any of an affect, so the car will be faster than what is perceived based off of 1/4 traps. I'd be willing to bet if you put the camera man in the G8, the SS/TC would pull the same, maybe a little more.

As was already said, a "well tuned" SS/TC is going to freight train a stock G8 GT when arguing this "point"
God I hope your joking...

Originally Posted by T-Man
G8 GT is a 103-105 traps car but from a roll the TM doesn't have much if any of an affect, so the car will be faster than what is perceived based off of 1/4 traps. I'd be willing to bet if you put the camera man in the G8, the SS/TC would pull the same, maybe a little more.

As was already said, a "well tuned" SS/TC is going to freight train a stock G8 GT when arguing this "point"
Originally Posted by drewbroo
stock I ran a 13.7@103.8 @ Bradenton. Ricer wing and all. Tuned with Hahn CAI, Termitune, Catless DP, and Catback straightpipe I ran a 12.7 @ 114.3. Again at bradenton. Here in AZ where the lowest alt track is firebird at phoenix. I ran a 13.4 at 110 with shitty tires and a 2.3 60 ft. (Trifecta tune, Airbox mod, Synapse catless and borla catback. The new camaro SS's were running 14.0-14.2's there (Saw one push a 13.9 @ 100.).

I ran an M3 that day and a WS6. The M3 ran a 14.3@101, and the WS6 Ran a 13.8@100. (Altitude)

So a new Camaro (indictive of it being a M6) loses approximately 10+ mph at your DA? I would gear that more towards driver incompetance then the car/altitude. I know what altitude does to a car but that is excessive.

That isn't a shot at your times because they are pretty good, but we have seen what the new Camaro is capable of and what is actually ran by the new owners...

Tyler

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Old 01-21-2010, 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by jpower102
You have a mistake in your sig ^^^^

if you say blue, i have nothing against that.
Old 01-22-2010, 04:31 AM
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Originally Posted by amxguy1970
God I hope your joking...






So a new Camaro (indictive of it being a M6) loses approximately 10+ mph at your DA? I would gear that more towards driver incompetance then the car/altitude. I know what altitude does to a car but that is excessive.

That isn't a shot at your times because they are pretty good, but we have seen what the new Camaro is capable of and what is actually ran by the new owners...

Tyler
They all do run a bit slower around here, The best case scenario trap times have been 110. I saw one run in darlington sc that ran a 13.1@110. (L99) Its near sea level there. A combination of bad driver and altitude is giving them shitty times. I saw an LS3 vette run a 13.4@109 at SIR too. (Thats quite a bit slower than stock) (Its a co worker of mine and its his best time on stock tires. He is stock, and when we run, we are neck and neck from a dig, he gets me in the 60 ft and the 1/8th but I start to creep toward the end of the 1/4, and on the street, we are close, and its a drivers race. We have never raced over 120, but im sure he would pull me after that.
(Him having better aero and more whp and all.)
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Originally Posted by amxguy1970
God I hope your joking...
Not at all. A properly tuned SS/TC should be putting down 285+ whp and be more than capable of trapping 108+ mph. That should be more than enough to walk away from a car that traps, on average, in the 103-104 area .
Old 01-22-2010, 12:39 PM
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There are many tune-only ss/tc's that trap 110ish. To say that's not enough to pull away from a stock g8 is silly. That's more than enough.
Old 01-22-2010, 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by T-Man
Not at all. A properly tuned SS/TC should be putting down 285+ whp and be more than capable of trapping 108+ mph. That should be more than enough to walk away from a car that traps, on average, in the 103-104 area .
Originally Posted by ralliartist
There are many tune-only ss/tc's that trap 110ish. To say that's not enough to pull away from a stock g8 is silly. That's more than enough.
News flash, walk and freight train are two completely different things. Yes I agree a well tuned TC should be a stock G8 GT by a car or two under a 100 (pending the out come of the dig which should heavily favor the G8), but there is no way a tune only TC is freight training a G8 unless it is the V6 and even then not so sure. I mean freight training is too many cars to even count in a short period of time.

Also saying one thing is capable then saying the other is average is not fair. Say the average traps of the tuned TC against the average traps of a stock G8, or the highest traps of a tuned TC compared to the highest traps of a stock G8, don't one side it in favor of something else...

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Old 01-24-2010, 03:02 AM
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I think it would go something like this, but worse for the G8 GT, since this G8 GT was tuned...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QvqoXofdbN8

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Originally Posted by Stamina
I think it would go something like this, but worse for the G8 GT, since this G8 GT was tuned...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QvqoXofdbN8
Sweet, you have a trifecta tuned, full bolt ons TC edging out a G8 by less than 2 cars.

We raced a stock G8 vs a true tune only TC. Not a full bolt ons "tune only" TC.
Old 01-24-2010, 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by SLoW SHO
Sweet, you have a trifecta tuned, full bolt ons TC edging out a G8 by less than 2 cars.

We raced a stock G8 vs a true tune only TC. Not a full bolt ons "tune only" TC.
Bolt-ons don't make as big of a difference on a TC. The tune is probably over 80% of where the power improvement comes from.

The G8 GT was tuned well too.

SO... a stock G8 + tuned TC equals even more rapeage.
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Originally Posted by Stamina
Bolt-ons don't make as big of a difference on a TC. The tune is probably over 80% of where the power improvement comes from.

The G8 GT was tuned well too.

SO... a stock G8 + tuned TC equals even more rapeage.
lol you have no idea what you're talking about. The TC is not some super special physics defying magic machine. Tune only does not = "tune only" + bolt ons and intercooler upgrades.

You TC owners have your heads so far up your asses.
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thats cuz they are hella fast...
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Originally Posted by SLoW SHO
lol you have no idea what you're talking about. The TC is not some super special physics defying magic machine. Tune only does not = "tune only" + bolt ons and intercooler upgrades.

You TC owners have your heads so far up your asses.
My tune only car has trapped 108mph in the summer heat. No stock g8 gt has done that.
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Originally Posted by SLoW SHO
lol you have no idea what you're talking about. The TC is not some super special physics defying magic machine. Tune only does not = "tune only" + bolt ons and intercooler upgrades.
I have no idea what you're saying.

I'm talking tune only. I only provided a link as a reference so forget that. There are two local TCs with a tune only that run almost even with the one in that video.

So let me break it down:
- In the video you see a tune+bolted TC run a tuned G8 GT

- TCs with tune only that almost run even with a tune+bolted TC
- The G8 GT in the video was also tuned


Therefore if the tune only TC is almost as fast as the one in that video... and the G8 GT is stock and not tuned like the one in that video... that would mean that the margin that the TC wins would probably be greater.

I'm not trying to get into a pissing fight, I'm simply using logic based off of evidence.
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tc should eat the g8 all day!!!! my buddy tried racing a gxp w. his cobalt ss and he wouldnt run him because he beat his buddies camaro ss
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