I think there should be some clarification here.

1. 248whp is rather low for a Procharged Split-Port car (99-04) as many of them (~11psi) are making closer to ~300whp w/ a good tune... but we currently don't know much about PHXSS's setup, how much boost he was running, what other mods he had, and what kind of tune he had... this can all have a huge effect on whp, as we all know.

2. No one that I have heard of has ever tried the same method as "Little G" has (not a 'little' but a LOT of weight reduction) with a Mustang, so I can't say what one would run. It is, however, very impressive. BTW, how much does that car weigh?

3. I think we need to reitterate that the V6 Camaro running 13.0@~105mph has Gears, LSD, Cam, and FULL BOLT-ONS. This I believe is possible w/ a very well-matched and tuned setup. For reference, there is a 3.8L Mustang w/ similar mods and heads that is in the low 12's last time I checked.

4. I will certainly agree that one needs to consider tq when determining how fast a car could/should be. Tq often gives a good indication of a cars powerband. A car with a lot of tq generally has a wider powerband, but cars can still be fast w/o tq, because rpm's can build hp w/o it... as the S2000, Type-S, etc. have shown. HP is important, TQ is important, and Powerband is important... but one w/o the other 2 don't tell you the whole story.

BTW, I agree w/ my last statement, too I am so tired of people having ignorant opinions of cars just because they don't know jack about them. You'd think someone who drove a Cobalt SS would feel the same way as I know they get the same kind of crap from people who say "it's a glorified Cavalier" and other ignorant stuff, but I guess some of them still like to be ignorant.

*Disclaimer: Not all Cobalt SS owners are like that, I know, because I know of many level-headed owners on this board alone

 

i think Little G's car weighs in around 3k lbs racewieght, im not fully sure what all he has taken out/replaced...so dont ask... I believe his car, without all the wieght reduction, will run around a 14.1-14.3, so weight is quite a factor here!

Blainestang, we PWND!!

 

A) A 1990-1992 Camaro IROC or Z28 with the 350TPI w/auto or 305TPI HO w/5-speed can easily run low 14's.

B) That cammed Firebird V6 running 13's sure. Did they have to split the block to fit the lobes in?

Whats the exhaust sound like? Whup, Whup, Whup, Whup........................

 

Chadder...my v6 stang did have 274whp initially, but it was running pretty lean, and also I had a vortech on it, and non-intercooled. With a procharger, it probably would be possible to have 300whp, but it would take some good tuning skills to pull it off SAFELY. When you have an intake temp. of 175 degrees, it's hard to produce a ton of hp. Also, even though I had a 9# pulley, I was usually only getting 5-7lbs of boost. Anywyas, back on topic. I still don't believe your car can run a 13 flat with only a cam add LSD. Unless, like I stated above, you have a completely gutted, to the bone interior.

 

You do realize you can regrind the cam and get huge lift w/o having a greater maximum diameter, right? But that's not the point. The guy has ALL THE BOLT-ONS as well as Gears/T-loc, probably a little weight reduction, AND THE CAM. I still think the trap might be a bit high, but it's totally possible. There's a similar 3.8L Mustang w/ heads also that's running deep into the 12's. Sure it might have a lope at idle, but who cares? I'll take deep 13's from an N/A 3.8L w/ a little lope at idle anyday.

And, yeah, 248whp on a non-intercooled 5-7psi w/ a safe tune isn't bad. Of course it's always the best numbers for a specific car that everyone quotes, average certainly isn't ~300whp for a similar setup... more like for an intercooled ~11psi kit.

 

I was trying to say that stock it's in the same class as those cars. I know they can be modded pretty well (from 15's to 13's). As far as being the fastest...it depends. I know the auto v6 mustangs are dogs (pre-05).

 

Stock yes, only 165hp from the factory, but I've read about a 10 second NA V6 Mustang. The same one that is mentioned in the race is going to install an M112....

 

AAhhhh, ok. So he has a shitload of mods to his car. In that case, it's believable to hit low 13's. i thought this guy just had a cam, and lsd.

 

nah, the 13 sec. bird has no weight reduction. And he doesnt have shitloads of mods to his car...(didnt anyways, it was sold..) It was an A4, FULL BOLTONS, 3.42 gears, a LSD, 3800 stall TC, a CAM, and a tune with HPTuners...thats really not alot compared to MANY guys out there with turbo/c/h setups etc...

and boltons only count for around 15rwhp....but I guess that is multiplyed with tune and cam...

Everything probably cost the guy; ~330 for the cam, 180 for gears, 300 for LSD, 300 for the TC, 500 for HPTuners, and around a grand for intake/exhaust (f-body stuff is cheap and 2000+ v6's come with tubular exhaust manifolds, which the crappy short tube headers are no better than...so headers is hardly a mod for 2000+ cars, and this is a 2000 firebird).

so a 13 sec v6 for 2310 (my best estimate, not including labor)...thats not too shabby.

Oh, and yeah, it lopes like a bigass v8. Sounds AWESOME!

 

oh, and currently, the fastest run of a v6 f-body was Shirl, from NJ, who ran a 11.87@110 (somewhere around there....LOL)

there are plenty of faster v6 f-body's out there, just none of them have been to the track and have completely finished thier cars, yet

 

Yeah, it's in the same price class, like I said, but not too many of them could go low 15's like a manual V6 Mustang or Camaro could.

BTW, you're right, the Auto's were much slower, but you've got to compare apples to apples... and the auto Civics, Cobalts, and Corollas aren't what I'd call speed demons, either



Actually, the 94-98's had 145-150hp and the 99-04's had 190-193hp. Also, I've never heard of a 10-second N/A V6 Mustang, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist. The best I've heard is low 12's N/A, though.

BTW, w/ regard to the 13-second Firebird, the trap does seem a bit high for the mods, which I can't imagine putting him over 250whp, but weirder things have happened. The ET, though sounds feasible for that amount of power and an excellent launch.