War Stories Post your racing wins. CobaltSS.net does not support or encourage street racing. Be smart and take it to the track.

ZZP s256et vs stock turbo e85

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 05-22-2012, 05:09 PM
  #1  
Senior Member
Thread Starter
iTrader: (2)
 
CMVsst2010's Avatar
 
Join Date: 01-17-10
Location: Illinois
Posts: 548
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
ZZP s256et vs stock turbo e85

so heres the deal. ZZP boltons with s256et turbo on 22psi.
other balt had boltons, electric cut out, 1/2 e85 1/2 93oct trifecta tune at 23 psi.

first race was from 60-120. s256et car did not brake boost or anything. e85 car did. s256et did not no lift shift. e85 car did. honked it off and the e85 car got about 1-1.5 lengths.

second race from 60-130ish. s256et brake boosted (5psi) but still didnt no lift shift. e85 car brake boosted and no lift shifted. honked it off and the s256 had about 1/2 a car to 1 car.

s256et vs 600cc suzuki that ran high 11s.

honked it off from 60-110. brake boosted (5psi) the 600cc was about a fender ahead by 110.

the s256et is tuned up to 25 psi which is where it made 411whp. so at 22psi it is probably around 370-380ish whp.
Old 05-22-2012, 05:15 PM
  #2  
Senior Member
iTrader: (3)
 
startingline05's Avatar
 
Join Date: 11-14-07
Location: Hinesville ga
Posts: 2,716
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Hmmm, haven't turned mine up past 22psi yet, not sure how much the stock motor would hold. I'm getting curious now.
Old 05-22-2012, 05:15 PM
  #3  
Senior Member
 
nwss's Avatar
 
Join Date: 03-26-11
Location: sidney mt
Posts: 2,717
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
getting beat by the same car with a stock turbo haha thats no fun
Old 05-22-2012, 05:17 PM
  #4  
Senior Member
iTrader: (5)
 
07LSJ's Avatar
 
Join Date: 01-26-12
Location: miami
Posts: 3,413
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
i dont understand how you got beat by the same car with the stock turbo, just on e47.....
i know they spool faster, but dam when you spool up you're suposed to pass them pretty easily.
Old 05-22-2012, 05:20 PM
  #5  
Senior Member
 
nwss's Avatar
 
Join Date: 03-26-11
Location: sidney mt
Posts: 2,717
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by 07LSJ
i dont understand how you got beat by the same car with the stock turbo, just on e47.....
i know they spool faster, but dam when you spool up you're suposed to pass them pretty easily.
driver mod
Old 05-22-2012, 05:20 PM
  #6  
Senior Member
iTrader: (4)
 
paintballerr78's Avatar
 
Join Date: 09-26-09
Location: North Dakota
Posts: 3,140
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by startingline05
Hmmm, haven't turned mine up past 22psi yet, not sure how much the stock motor would hold. I'm getting curious now.
It can hold way more..Im on a 5557 and run 28lbs and its fine...I can only imagine what Ryan(scythe_snake) ran on his stock motor to make 545...So im sure your perfectly fine its mostly in the tune
Old 05-22-2012, 05:21 PM
  #7  
Senior Member
iTrader: (5)
 
07LSJ's Avatar
 
Join Date: 01-26-12
Location: miami
Posts: 3,413
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by nwss
driver mod
must be
Old 05-22-2012, 05:31 PM
  #8  
Senior Member
 
ford's Avatar
 
Join Date: 05-19-09
Location: Austin, Texas
Posts: 2,633
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
The S256et makes the car completely different to drive. I can attest to doing much worse on this turbo in my first outing. It no longer drives like the stock car does.

If his car made 370-411whp then it shouldnt pull the stock turbo car that hard but should easily pull away in the middle of a gear nonetheless. Some of this probably lays with the driver.

I can also say that with a manual boost controller this turbo builds boost just fine if you are at the right RPMs. He shouldnt really be losing much ground to the spool on the stock turbo.

Either way, this is why i want cams and E85. So i can turn the bad boy up. I just need a gas station that has E85 that isnt 25 miles the wrong direction.
Old 05-22-2012, 05:34 PM
  #9  
Senior Member
Thread Starter
iTrader: (2)
 
CMVsst2010's Avatar
 
Join Date: 01-17-10
Location: Illinois
Posts: 548
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
not exactly a driver mod. never missed a gear or anything. ofcourse could shifted a little faster but definitely a little nervous to shift it harder. the car has been babied with some fun of course. the stock turbo ran an m5 and smoked it and beat a c6 vette as did the s256et. remember didnt no lift shift or anything like that. plus at 22 psi and him at 23 plus e85. now if the boost was turned up to 25 psi which would net about 30-40 more whp then obviously the race would be different.
Old 05-22-2012, 05:37 PM
  #10  
Senior Member
Thread Starter
iTrader: (2)
 
CMVsst2010's Avatar
 
Join Date: 01-17-10
Location: Illinois
Posts: 548
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
ford i definitely agree. cams and more boost will be coming soon. o forgot to mention the s256 can rev to around 7200 but in this race didnt. only shifted at 6700ish. the car is still being broken in. the car is taken car of properly and not beaten on everyday. could have been more aggressive driveing it but again the car is being broken in still. boost hasnt been touched since it left ZZP at 22 psi.
Old 05-22-2012, 06:07 PM
  #11  
Senior Member
 
ford's Avatar
 
Join Date: 05-19-09
Location: Austin, Texas
Posts: 2,633
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
We pretty much have the same setup so i know.

I might PM you tonight on something if you dont mind.
Old 05-22-2012, 06:10 PM
  #12  
Senior Member
Thread Starter
iTrader: (2)
 
CMVsst2010's Avatar
 
Join Date: 01-17-10
Location: Illinois
Posts: 548
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by ford
We pretty much have the same setup so i know.

I might PM you tonight on something if you dont mind.
for sure. not a problem at all. and yeah after talking to ryan (scythe snake) he said shoulda revved higher and started in second. by being in 3rd at 60 the power band was being cut way too much.
Old 05-22-2012, 09:40 PM
  #13  
Senior Member
 
blrt's Avatar
 
Join Date: 09-16-09
Location: south west of GTA
Posts: 768
Received 29 Likes on 23 Posts
Originally Posted by CMVsst2010
for sure. not a problem at all. and yeah after talking to ryan (scythe snake) he said shoulda revved higher and started in second. by being in 3rd at 60 the power band was being cut way too much.
If you had the 4.45 that would make a big difference, Stage 1 cams sure.. imo. As far as I know/heard, one can run pretty aggressive timing with e85.. You'll get him next time.
Old 05-22-2012, 10:27 PM
  #14  
Senior Member
iTrader: (3)
 
cmiller8006's Avatar
 
Join Date: 05-29-08
Location: Ohio
Posts: 6,085
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
Originally Posted by CMVsst2010
for sure. not a problem at all. and yeah after talking to ryan (scythe snake) he said shoulda revved higher and started in second. by being in 3rd at 60 the power band was being cut way too much.
Yea I have a smaller back half on the 5857 then a 256 and in third with the ZZP 4.45 I don't hit full boost till 70 mph or so. And a 256 will spool about the same
Old 05-22-2012, 10:29 PM
  #15  
Senior Member
iTrader: (3)
 
cmiller8006's Avatar
 
Join Date: 05-29-08
Location: Ohio
Posts: 6,085
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
Originally Posted by blrt
If you had the 4.45 that would make a big difference, Stage 1 cams sure.. imo. As far as I know/heard, one can run pretty aggressive timing with e85.. You'll get him next time.
Pump e85 you can run like 28 degrees timin and 30 psi on a big turbo, so yes you can run a good deal of timing.
Old 05-22-2012, 11:07 PM
  #16  
Senior Member
 
raver0789's Avatar
 
Join Date: 01-26-10
Location: Toronto
Posts: 947
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Meh the s256 is barely awake at 22psi. 26psi would have been an absolute slaughter. the quick torque of the stock turbo allows u to get a quick jump.
Old 05-22-2012, 11:21 PM
  #17  
Banned
iTrader: (2)
 
05Slowline's Avatar
 
Join Date: 06-03-10
Location: HBG/Hanover
Posts: 6,919
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
^^ ding ding ding
Old 05-22-2012, 11:38 PM
  #18  
Senior Member
iTrader: (1)
 
nhanson's Avatar
 
Join Date: 05-07-08
Location: Minnesota
Posts: 6,428
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 1 Post
Originally Posted by blrt
If you had the 4.45 that would make a big difference, Stage 1 cams sure.. imo. As far as I know/heard, one can run pretty aggressive timing with e85.. You'll get him next time.
Turbos like longer gears.
Old 05-22-2012, 11:39 PM
  #19  
Senior Member
 
FF_ace's Avatar
 
Join Date: 10-08-06
Location: Scottsdale, AZ
Posts: 3,043
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Man I need to turn up the boost I'm only running 24 on my 5857
Old 05-23-2012, 12:28 AM
  #20  
Senior Member
Thread Starter
iTrader: (2)
 
CMVsst2010's Avatar
 
Join Date: 01-17-10
Location: Illinois
Posts: 548
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Yea I'm debating on whether or not to turn it up a bit. You guys think I'll be fine running it up to 25 psi? What other supporting mods do you think I'd need to turn up the boost to about 27 psi??
Old 05-23-2012, 01:12 AM
  #21  
Senior Member
iTrader: (1)
 
Frogstofall's Avatar
 
Join Date: 07-30-11
Location: Midwest
Posts: 2,826
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Breaking in the motor? Kidding me? How many miles on it?
Old 05-23-2012, 02:35 AM
  #22  
Senior Member
 
raver0789's Avatar
 
Join Date: 01-26-10
Location: Toronto
Posts: 947
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Get someone to monitor your tune for knock and such when running 27psi. I think it's still in the meat of the efficiency range so i don't think it's a big deal, but make sure it's running okay.
Old 05-23-2012, 10:18 AM
  #23  
Senior Member
iTrader: (3)
 
cmiller8006's Avatar
 
Join Date: 05-29-08
Location: Ohio
Posts: 6,085
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
Originally Posted by raver0789
Meh the s256 is barely awake at 22psi. 26psi would have been an absolute slaughter. the quick torque of the stock turbo allows u to get a quick jump.
Yep, borg warners like boost.
Old 05-23-2012, 10:40 AM
  #24  
Senior Member
 
ford's Avatar
 
Join Date: 05-19-09
Location: Austin, Texas
Posts: 2,633
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
I couldnt imagine more boost on the street though, unless im on tire. Pretty much rape the tires at 24psi.

Damn manual boost controller isnt helping that traction either lmao.
Old 05-23-2012, 10:46 AM
  #25  
Senior Member
iTrader: (4)
 
MP Cobalt's Avatar
 
Join Date: 09-02-07
Location: MP, PA (S of Pittsburgh)
Posts: 4,532
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
So what should run my s256et on my Lsj its at around 20psi right now. Question is what can a stock Lsj motor hold up commonly. I know each motor won't handle the same


Quick Reply: ZZP s256et vs stock turbo e85



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 05:40 AM.