Hey,

Just wondering if anyone is running them?

I'm not here to get the lecture on they aren't safe, etc, etc, just wondering if anyone is running them and what you guys bought.

Thks.

 

Bump

 

I have them.

 

Where did you get them?

 

Why? Seems like more work than it's worth.

 

What are they?

 

They're basically another way to make wheels in a different bolt pattern work. Arguably unsafe. Way cheaper option than wheel adapters or hub conversions, but frowned upon by many mechanics. Will not get installed by any reputable tire/wheel chain because of liability issues.

 

Lug nut thread is offset

 

Ahh I see. Would be nice if they were safe

 

Have any of you used them? How are they not safe? Do tell.

BTW, I purchased mine off of ebay. EVERY wheel/tire shop I went to here on the coast offered to sell me a set no problems.

 

Because they are adding extra force on your studs I would assume. With as much HP and torque we put down it seems like a terrible idea.

 

As long as it is a small gap it is fine. You arent loading the stud, you are simply offsetting the seat of the bolt. A couple mm would be just fine as long as the wheel still sits flat against the hub and the studs are not forced into the wheel holes.

 

the VW, AUDI community have been running wobble for a long time with no issues from my research. most of them are 5x112 that wobble up to 5x114.3. Im sure there is a few folks that had issues. Planes do crash, but airplanes are the safest way to travel.

 

This exactly. Thank you. I years of experience with these with ZERO issues. A 5x112 wheel on a 5x110 hub is fine. The same for a 5x114.3 hub and 5x112 wheel.

 

So a 5x110 to 5x114 is not recommended? Too big of a gap?

 

Correct. It won't mount up anyway.

 

Advised for only 2mm gap or so, drift guys use them alot.

 

Really? I'd be afraid of the nut snapping off or snapping a stud...

I'm sure they would be safe for a stock car that isn't aggressively driven but as soon as you start adding power mods and doing stuff like auto cross it would be a bit worried

Edit: I forgot you couldn't use these for auto cross anyway so guess that wouldn't matter

 

Did you read what I wrote?

They do not put any added stress onto the studs. They are simply offset nuts. As long as the studs fit into the bolt holes and the wheels sits flush against the hub these will work and pose no more risk thn regualr lug nuts

 

^^^^this man is correct. READ PEOPLE.

I think people have a mental image of what these might be like, and it is incorrect. I've had this debate with so many people it's getting old.

 

Just because they sit flat does not mean there is not added stress. A normal lug has forces applied at more of a 90 degree angle. A wobble nut has applied force that is not 90 degrees. That's why the stress it more.

Think about th direction of the spinning wheel.

 

That is why the tapper of the wobble nut wobbles. The tapper movers to sit in the wheel flat. You are still tightening the seat of the bolt into the bolt hole flush, the movement of the seat just makes it offset. So no. All lug nuts are meant to dot is clamp the wheel to the hub. As long all the studs are not forced into the wheel holes there is no difference that a normal lug nut.

 

As an experienced machinist and fabricator I can assure you that a QUALITY set of these installed PROPERLY is probably 99% as strong as using the correct pattern.

 

It's a common misconception that the studs are subject to the rotating force of acceleration. That are not.
All the studs/nuts do is clamp the wheel to the hub face. The friction between the hub face and wheel is what holds the rotational torque.

 

It's very important to have a tight fit on the hub. I had to order very precise hub centric rings to make my Enkei Kojins fit exactly center on the hub.