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Old 10-08-2011 | 12:29 AM
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Originally Posted by RecklessL61
I do have a life thank you, and if that was the answer i would have gotten when i asked them nicely why it was there when they posted this video on there facebook page I wouldnt have posted this, but no they felt it was more important to be sarcastic and tell me it was there to keep the car form fipping over, just another thing that proves my point. they can be ass holes sometimes and no one says **** about it.
Reckless- I posted about the wheelie bar on the first page of this thread. I will quote it here. I'm not sure who posted, "so it doesn't flip over," but they did put a smiley face at the end of the sentence which typically means joking around.

As far as holding zzp accountable for screw ups, we would agree. It just seems strange to demand that we get held accountable for screwing up in a thread about Ryan running at the track. It comes across like you are just trying to rain on someones parade for personal reasons. If you have a specific issue that you want to discuss, feel free to send me an email any time.(stattama@aol.com)

Originally Posted by Matt M
Making the rear suspension solid is much better then running typical suspension, but not as good as a wheelie bar. Even with solid suspension, there is weight behind the rear tires that works as leverage when the front tries to lift. With the wheelie bar out behind the car, the effective wheelbase is much longer and all of the weight is in front of the rear wheel. Unfortunately, the rear suspension can come into play and make things worse at this point. When running a wheelie bar, you want to set up the rear suspension as light as possible, basically taking it out of the equation. We have not done this on Ryan's car yet. When we do, it will run 1.4 sixty foots, no problem.
Old 10-08-2011 | 12:33 AM
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Old 10-08-2011 | 12:41 AM
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Originally Posted by RecklessL61
I understand that as I also work in sales, but it doesnt excuss the fact that they didnt try to rectify the bad situations, I just have a problem with people just blindly following them and thinking that everything they say and do is gold, I would just like to see them try to rectify a situation and when they dont id like to see someone hold them accountable for it not just say that the guy is lieing and ZZP is God.

agreed
I can assure you that we make a reasonable attempt to rectify a situation that is not working out for the customer. Occasionally people will fail to disclose a significant portion of the information when posting their story on the internet. Think of it like a court case. If only one side showed up in court and had the chance to enter their arguments, it would almost always appear that they were screwed over by the other party.
Old 10-08-2011 | 12:41 AM
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Old 10-08-2011 | 01:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Matt M
I can assure you that we make a reasonable attempt to rectify a situation that is not working out for the customer. Occasionally people will fail to disclose a significant portion of the information when posting their story on the internet. Think of it like a court case. If only one side showed up in court and had the chance to enter their arguments, it would almost always appear that they were screwed over by the other party.
I understand where you are coming from on this, but in the situation i was refering to i read all the emails back and forth from yall to haza and when confronted yall on here Zommer just called haza a liar and everyone believed him even though even though he presented no proof and that was then end of that. I just found that very unproffesional and felt like noone on here wanted to hold yall accuontable for ******* this guys barrowed part up and not fixxing it or even honoring yalls deal. now on this situation i do know the whole story and that the part was really damaged because that same RPD is in my car with a scratch on the LCD because i bought it from him.

as for posting in here i just saw a situation where if this was anyone else posting this video with a wheelie bar the first post would have been flaming the fact that there was a wheelie bar on a FWD car and yet no one said anything cause the great ZZP did it. Do you understand what I mean?

now i in no means are bashing yalls knowledge or the fact that yall are a good company I just want peolpe to treat yall just like they would any other company or person on here, I do understand that there are gonna be situations where people are unhappy no matter what is done to rectify the situation, but when a company refuses to even try to fix it and just calls the guy a liar and everyone just blindly believes them and thanks thats unexceptable i think thats just wrong.

and i didnt see the post explaining about the bar on the first page. Im sorry for that.
Old 10-08-2011 | 01:53 AM
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Originally Posted by RecklessL61
I understand where you are coming from on this, but in the situation i was refering to i read all the emails back and forth from yall to haza and when confronted yall on here Zommer just called haza a liar and everyone believed him even though even though he presented no proof and that was then end of that. I just found that very unproffesional and felt like noone on here wanted to hold yall accuontable for ******* this guys barrowed part up and not fixxing it or even honoring yalls deal. now on this situation i do know the whole story and that the part was really damaged because that same RPD is in my car with a scratch on the LCD because i bought it from him.

as for posting in here i just saw a situation where if this was anyone else posting this video with a wheelie bar the first post would have been flaming the fact that there was a wheelie bar on a FWD car and yet no one said anything cause the great ZZP did it. Do you understand what I mean?

now i in no means are bashing yalls knowledge or the fact that yall are a good company I just want peolpe to treat yall just like they would any other company or person on here, I do understand that there are gonna be situations where people are unhappy no matter what is done to rectify the situation, but when a company refuses to even try to fix it and just calls the guy a liar and everyone just blindly believes them and thanks thats unexceptable i think thats just wrong.

and i didnt see the post explaining about the bar on the first page. Im sorry for that.
There are a couple things I can point out here- 1. Your example with the wheelie bar is not a very good one. In this case, the wheelie bar can easily be understood as a reasonable modification on a FWD drag car. Read here- The Bergenholtz Racing CRX - History Video on Vimeo "Time since then has proven that the use of “wheelie bars” is still the single most effective chassis modification for serious front-wheel-drive drag cars around the world." There is no reason to argue about something that is commonly known to work very well. 2. You say we didn't prove anything in that thread, yet you don't require any proof from Haza. You assume that because there is a scratch there, then zzp must have scratched it. I am nearly 100% certain that the unit was not scratched in our possession.

Either way, we now understand your hatred towards zzp. You purchased the RPD from him and it is scratched. He told you that we scratched it, therefore you have an issue with us. It seems to me that Haza sold you a scratched display, not zzp.
Old 10-08-2011 | 02:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Matt M
There are a couple things I can point out here- 1. Your example with the wheelie bar is not a very good one. In this case, the wheelie bar can easily be understood as a reasonable modification on a FWD drag car. Read here- The Bergenholtz Racing CRX - History Video on Vimeo "Time since then has proven that the use of “wheelie bars” is still the single most effective chassis modification for serious front-wheel-drive drag cars around the world." There is no reason to argue about something that is commonly known to work very well. 2. You say we didn't prove anything in that thread, yet you don't require any proof from Haza. You assume that because there is a scratch there, then zzp must have scratched it. I am nearly 100% certain that the unit was not scratched in our possession.

Either way, we now understand your hatred towards zzp. You purchased the RPD from him and it is scratched. He told you that we scratched it, therefore you have an issue with us. It seems to me that Haza sold you a scratched display, not zzp.
1. I was there the day he got it back from yall in the mail and was there when it was opened and yes it was scratched now it was not packed proplerly so could it have been scratched in shipping yes but the responsiblity would still lay with ZZP yall just through it in a box with now bubble wrap or anything to keep it form rattling aound.

2. I will state again i dont have a hatered for ZZP, i will still buy products from yall. All i want is for people to realize that just because yall say or do it doesnt always make it law or correct, and it would be nice to see yall reach out and try to fix a situation with a customer instead of telling them they are lying and blowing them off, and the fact that alot of the members of this website accept this is wrong. This is the same thing that Cobalt-Addiction did and people wouldnt stand for it. Im just trying to figure out why they are when yall do it. I have seen this in other instences other then the haza situation i just used that one for an example because i could recall all the details off the top of my head.

And even if it wasnt scratched when it left yalls shop, yall still broke the agreement yall had with him and then told him to **** off by stating that "he did not purchuse a product from yall that he was not a customer and there your yall owed him nothing." Even thought the origain deal that was made in email between ZZP and him said yall would have his RPD for 3 months and that yall would return it along with the new piller, and when his RPD was returned 12 months later it was damaged and had the stock piller with it that was in rough shape.

Again I state I dont hate ZZP i just want yall to take responsiblity for yalls mistakes, but more i want people to stop blindly following and just believing it because ZZP said so.
If i saw the same thing going on with MPx or OTTP or anyother company i would be making the same complaint.
Old 10-08-2011 | 03:11 AM
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^sounds like is QQing in a passive aggressive way...
Old 10-08-2011 | 07:41 AM
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Help out and fix a situation with a customer? Like they warrantied my turbo manifold that had warped right?
Old 10-08-2011 | 08:39 AM
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zzp, why u no send me shiny rotors?

LOL good job guys. Always a excellent group of guys.
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Old 10-08-2011 | 08:40 AM
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I would just like to say yall.
That is yall yall.

Yall.
Old 10-08-2011 | 09:28 AM
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Zzp has the best customer service I've ever delt with my turbo mani had cracked they took my word for it and sent me a newer one and only charged me a small amount as a core charge until they got my old Mani back to them hense why I will always spend my money with them
Old 10-08-2011 | 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by RecklessL61
1. I was there the day he got it back from yall in the mail and was there when it was opened and yes it was scratched now it was not packed proplerly so could it have been scratched in shipping yes but the responsiblity would still lay with ZZP yall just through it in a box with now bubble wrap or anything to keep it form rattling aound.

2. I will state again i dont have a hatered for ZZP, i will still buy products from yall. All i want is for people to realize that just because yall say or do it doesnt always make it law or correct, and it would be nice to see yall reach out and try to fix a situation with a customer instead of telling them they are lying and blowing them off, and the fact that alot of the members of this website accept this is wrong. This is the same thing that Cobalt-Addiction did and people wouldnt stand for it. Im just trying to figure out why they are when yall do it. I have seen this in other instences other then the haza situation i just used that one for an example because i could recall all the details off the top of my head.

And even if it wasnt scratched when it left yalls shop, yall still broke the agreement yall had with him and then told him to **** off by stating that "he did not purchuse a product from yall that he was not a customer and there your yall owed him nothing." Even thought the origain deal that was made in email between ZZP and him said yall would have his RPD for 3 months and that yall would return it along with the new piller, and when his RPD was returned 12 months later it was damaged and had the stock piller with it that was in rough shape.

Again I state I dont hate ZZP i just want yall to take responsiblity for yalls mistakes, but more i want people to stop blindly following and just believing it because ZZP said so.
If i saw the same thing going on with MPx or OTTP or anyother company i would be making the same complaint.
Wow, now you are resorting to ridiculous claims. You are saying that you happened to be standing right there when he opened up the package? lol, good one. It's funny how you posted in unrelated threads 15 times while his thread about that situation was active. However, you posted in that thread exactly 0 times. Now that 5 months have passed, you claim to be a key witness. You don't think we can see through that?

Then you go on to say that we told him to F off and that we wouldn't do anything for him. That is obviously false. We offered to replace the RPD at our expense if he sent it back! He said no, because we would "just screw him again!" Yes, the guy who had his RPD back, as well as a zzp pillar that he owed us back said that we screwed him, all while we were offering to replace the part to begin with. Sometimes there just isn't a way to please someone. It typically happens when they are not being honest about the situation, because the offers that make sense to us do not fit their actual plan (which we had no way to know.)

The reason some people will just trust zzp and take our word for something is because we have proven that we are here for the community. We are doing what we can to advance the Cobalt market as a whole. Most other vendors are just in it for the quick buck and then they get out. We get a lot of respect for signing up for the long haul.
Old 10-08-2011 | 12:26 PM
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Old 10-08-2011 | 12:44 PM
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Sick run ...... popcorn anyone for the offtopic discussion.
Old 10-08-2011 | 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by RecklessL61
again i ask why is there a wheelie bar on a front wheel drive car, and dont tell me to keep it from flipping over, ive seen cobalts run 9s without a wheelie bar, and dont tell me to keep the from end from lefting up cause that bs also, and if you try it say its to stop rear end squat i say there are alot easyer ways to do that,

If this was anyone else other then ZZP everyone would flame the **** out of this guy but when its ZZP every one always gets down on there knees and says "Please put you ***** in my mouth" In everyones eyes ZZP can do no wrong, and i think its bs if you believe something then stand up for it ALL THE TIME not just when its a random person.

And please get off ZZPs Dick, yes they have good products and do amazing things with the cobalt but they do **** up sometime and if we as a comunity dont hold them accountable to said **** up then they will never change it. Everytime someone comes on here and says ZZP fucked me over, ZZP comes back and says he is lying and everyone on here bows down to what they say and flames the poor guy that got fucked over off the site.

this **** is pathetic and needs to quit,

/rant

You are about a ******* retard. There are many reasons for the wheelie bar, also you have to expect a mistake every once in a while, I mean when you sell hundreds of parts a week they are likely to have a mistake in there somewhere. I have over 10g's spent with them and never have had a bad order. Even with the tranny I just got, heavy as **** and they still got it shipped to me within two days. There is not another shop that does ecotecs that is better in my book. You are just mad you cant afford this stuff.
Old 10-08-2011 | 01:32 PM
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Wow, now you are resorting to ridiculous claims. You are saying that you happened to be standing right there when he opened up the package? lol, good one. It's funny how you posted in unrelated threads 15 times while his thread about that situation was active. However, you posted in that thread exactly 0 times. Now that 5 months have passed, you claim to be a key witness. You don't think we can see through that?

Then you go on to say that we told him to F off and that we wouldn't do anything for him. That is obviously false. We offered to replace the RPD at our expense if he sent it back! He said no, because we would "just screw him again!" Yes, the guy who had his RPD back, as well as a zzp pillar that he owed us back said that we screwed him, all while we were offering to replace the part to begin with. Sometimes there just isn't a way to please someone. It typically happens when they are not being honest about the situation, because the offers that make sense to us do not fit their actual plan (which we had no way to know.)

The reason some people will just trust zzp and take our word for something is because we have proven that we are here for the community. We are doing what we can to advance the Cobalt market as a whole. Most other vendors are just in it for the quick buck and then they get out. We get a lot of respect for signing up for the long haul.
I dont see why it is so hard to believe I live like 15 minutes from him, just because i didnt say anything in his thread, It was because buy the time i get there yall had already told hi he was a liar and everyone had jumped on the banwaggon so there was not point.
He offered to send back your tripple gauge pod if you would send him a shipping lable because he was not gonna send it back on his own dime and you guys refused to send shipping labels, also there was never an offer to replace to RPD just the screen and he would have a damaged piller and a scuffed up RPD unit and would have to send it back to you on his own dime and just wait till you guys got around to doing it. On top of all that yall still broke the orgianl deal with him to send him one of the new pillers when yall sent back his RPD.

I do understand that you guys have been here for the long haul and like I stated I have no problem buying parts from you guys. I aprecate what you guys do for the delta comuntity.
Old 10-08-2011 | 06:29 PM
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I dont see why it is so hard to believe I live like 15 minutes from him, just because i didnt say anything in his thread, It was because buy the time i get there yall had already told hi he was a liar and everyone had jumped on the banwaggon so there was not point.
He offered to send back your tripple gauge pod if you would send him a shipping lable because he was not gonna send it back on his own dime and you guys refused to send shipping labels, also there was never an offer to replace to RPD just the screen and he would have a damaged piller and a scuffed up RPD unit and would have to send it back to you on his own dime and just wait till you guys got around to doing it. On top of all that yall still broke the orgianl deal with him to send him one of the new pillers when yall sent back his RPD.

I do understand that you guys have been here for the long haul and like I stated I have no problem buying parts from you guys. I aprecate what you guys do for the delta comuntity.
What are you smoking? You are getting so far from the truth that it's hard to believe. You were not there when he opened the package, period. Yes, it would be easy to believe, except for the fact that it is always the vocal haters that claim to have been everywhere when anything happened as long as it helps their case. You are far from the first person to come up with that idea.

As far as you saying that we broke the agreement by not sending him the finished pillar, we didn't have them yet! He stated that he wanted out of the deal, which was discussed in the thread. Try to get your facts straight if you are going to try to prove me wrong. It seems as though you only have bits and pieces of information about what happened and you are trying to fill in the blanks. The bottom line was that we faced a lot of delays with our supplier and then he wanted to back out of the deal and claimed that we were dicking him around while we tried to work out a deal. It was just a typical case where someone who has something not go their way feels like someone else is screwing them. It happens from time to time if you deal with enough people.
Old 10-08-2011 | 06:43 PM
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This could go on for ever.

Lets end this cause y'all going in circles...

He feels his friend was wronged, and apparently wants everyone to not treat zzp like they've done something for the community, but it's ok for him to buy from them.

zzp feel they tried their best and the buyer refused them when they tried to fix it.

He doesn't believe this, and never will.

zzp will stick to their story and he to his.

So I'd say this is about finished y'all.

Now lets move onto a new topic y'all.

Y'all!!!
Old 10-08-2011 | 06:59 PM
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Seems like ZZP is the only company wanting to improve the Cobalt aftermarket, why start crap in a random thread? If that was a common problem would they have such a good rep?
Old 10-08-2011 | 07:57 PM
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RecklessL61,
You're a dilusional human being that cannot open his/her eyes to understand the logic behind a FWD drag car and ways to make it advance from a dead stop quicker using techniques that have been around for a while. Although you used a simple method of knocking something only to bring a completely different situation into a thread shows the intelligence of yourself. To furthermore put input on the situation, please place two fingers into your own dickhole and thrust them as deep as possible. You sir, are ******* useless.
Yours truely,
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Old 10-08-2011 | 08:54 PM
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That is sick!!
Old 10-09-2011 | 12:51 AM
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Would still like to know their facebook page so I could see the video. Can't see it on my phone.
Old 10-09-2011 | 01:36 AM
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just search zzperformance on facebook
Old 10-13-2011 | 11:41 AM
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We offered a replacement OEM pod because he complained about it being scratched. He refused to return it for replacement. He still kept the 3 gauge pod, which he never paid for AND the OEM pod. So in the end he got free parts, ZZP got nothing.
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nope never bought anything from them yet...
IC. Interesting you feel the need to tell everyone how horrible a company you've never purchased from is...



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