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Old 12-05-2014 | 12:08 PM
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Opels, big fuel lobe, max safe rail pressure and maxed out injection start angle E-47 roughly 510-520whp maybe a touch more. E-85 with 14% more fuel demand 450whp or so safely. More than that will be very risky. Colodude's ZFR at 480 whp is maxed on E-47 stock injectors stock cams but he is at 6000ft so his dyno has a 23% correction factor.
Great info, thanx term.
Old 12-05-2014 | 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Terminator2
Opels, big fuel lobe, max safe rail pressure and maxed out injection start angle E-47 roughly 510-520whp maybe a touch more. E-85 with 14% more fuel demand 450whp or so safely. More than that will be very risky. Colodude's ZFR at 480 whp is maxed on E-47 stock injectors stock cams but he is at 6000ft so his dyno has a 23% correction factor.
He has the Opels too just hasn't installed them....He needs S1 cams
Old 12-05-2014 | 01:44 PM
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He has the Opels too just hasn't installed them....He needs S1 cams
Yes he does.
Old 12-06-2014 | 02:02 AM
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terminatir2 plans are to be full bolt ons with the 7163 (pre ordered) on 93 looking to be 400-430 range and this turbo should be better on the trans am I correct? Am I in the right direction
Old 12-06-2014 | 09:02 AM
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terminatir2 plans are to be full bolt ons with the 7163 (pre ordered) on 93 looking to be 400-430 range and this turbo should be better on the trans am I correct? Am I in the right direction
Maybe a tad less shock on the trans as it will spool a little later and a little slower but torque still needs to be limited as it spools up. It should easily make 430whp on 93 at around 25psi.
Old 12-06-2014 | 10:06 AM
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Old 12-06-2014 | 08:19 PM
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Originally Posted by billythakid

Maybe a tad less shock on the trans as it will spool a little later and a little slower but torque still needs to be limited as it spools up. It should easily make 430whp on 93 at around 25psi.
This turbo will be going on a brand new longblock with just simple bold ons what do you think I should invest into next
Old 12-06-2014 | 09:44 PM
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This turbo will be going on a brand new longblock with just simple bold ons what do you think I should invest into next
A good clutch unless you already have that covered.
Old 12-06-2014 | 10:15 PM
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A good clutch unless you already have that covered.
No not yet what clutch would you recommend
Old 12-06-2014 | 10:20 PM
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I know, I'm full boost on my ZFR by 3k rpm but just imagine a 7163 with that fast of a spool
People want to spool faster so they can break 3rd faster.
Old 12-07-2014 | 10:37 AM
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No not yet what clutch would you recommend
GMPP clutch is a good option IMHO. There are others but I am not a fan of puck clutches and do not get a lightweight flywheel.
Old 12-08-2014 | 05:09 PM
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If the highest peak power number is the goal, run an aluminum flywheel, LSJ brakes, light-weight wheels, light tires such as slicks(but inflated to 30psi).

Our S2 cams provide solid gains over S1 with the ZFR turbos.
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Paintballerr78 is running stock injectors with just ZZP S1 cams, tuned by ZZP on E85 and made 476whp on his 5557, and is now on the s259et making the same power. No fifth injector, just the cams for fueling. I understand it doesn't come on as soon so it can get away with a little more.

And anyone who thinks 350+whp is useless on a FWD car needs to watch my videos. My car with 550-600whp hooks up better than most of the 350whp LNF's out there it seems like. And I am not on slicks, just some R compound R888's and coilovers.
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Originally Posted by InfraRedline
Paintballerr78 is running stock injectors with just ZZP S1 cams, tuned by ZZP on E85 and made 476whp on his 5557, and is now on the s259et making the same power. No fifth injector, just the cams for fueling. I understand it doesn't come on as soon so it can get away with a little more.

And anyone who thinks 350+whp is useless on a FWD car needs to watch my videos. My car with 550-600whp hooks up better than most of the 350whp LNF's out there it seems like. And I am not on slicks, just some R compound R888's and coilovers.
you have the proper setup for high horsepower cars. However you still wheelspin like a mother even with R compound tires.
Old 12-09-2014 | 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by InfraRedline
Paintballerr78 is running stock injectors with just ZZP S1 cams, tuned by ZZP on E85 and made 476whp on his 5557, and is now on the s259et making the same power. No fifth injector, just the cams for fueling. I understand it doesn't come on as soon so it can get away with a little more.

And anyone who thinks 350+whp is useless on a FWD car needs to watch my videos. My car with 550-600whp hooks up better than most of the 350whp LNF's out there it seems like. And I am not on slicks, just some R compound R888's and coilovers.
I shutter to think of the injection times. Werts Little 6758 on 93 and 29psi IDC is over 31% up top at 0.88 lambda injection times are in the 6.8 MS range out around 7000 RPMs. Fuel rail pressure is 2600psi injection start angle maxed out. Car would likely not support E-47 at 29 psi even with cams unless Opel fuel injectors as well.
28% more fuel demand on E-85 vs pump gas would mean 10 ms or longer injection times at 2600psi on his car!!!!!!!!
Old 12-09-2014 | 03:56 PM
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Originally Posted by leemanfor
you have the proper setup for high horsepower cars. However you still wheelspin like a mother even with R compound tires.
I only spin 2nd, and even then its pulling hard and isn't really losing much ground. 3rd hooks every time though. Not bad for a street driven tire that can get 10,000+ miles easily, in my opinion anyways.

Originally Posted by Terminator2
I shutter to think of the injection times. Werts Little 6758 on 93 and 29psi IDC is over 31% up top at 0.88 lambda injection times are in the 6.8 MS range out around 7000 RPMs. Fuel rail pressure is 2600psi injection start angle maxed out. Car would likely not support E-47 at 29 psi even with cams unless Opel fuel injectors as well.
28% more fuel demand on E-85 vs pump gas would mean 10 ms or longer injection times at 2600psi on his car!!!!!!!!
I haven't really logged the car, so I can't say what they are. I am sure the injection times aren't low by any means lol, but it is not getting any injection window misfire. They have it running 13.4-13.6 AFR on E85. Back on the stock cams on E47 we ran into injection misfires in the 430whp range on 23 lbs on the 5557.
Old 12-09-2014 | 05:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Terminator2
I shutter to think of the injection times. Werts Little 6758 on 93 and 29psi IDC is over 31% up top at 0.88 lambda injection times are in the 6.8 MS range out around 7000 RPMs. Fuel rail pressure is 2600psi injection start angle maxed out. Car would likely not support E-47 at 29 psi even with cams unless Opel fuel injectors as well. 28% more fuel demand on E-85 vs pump gas would mean 10 ms or longer injection times at 2600psi on his car!!!!!!!!
That sounds bad. Haha.
Old 12-09-2014 | 11:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Terminator2
I shutter to think of the injection times. Werts Little 6758 on 93 and 29psi IDC is over 31% up top at 0.88 lambda injection times are in the 6.8 MS range out around 7000 RPMs. Fuel rail pressure is 2600psi injection start angle maxed out. Car would likely not support E-47 at 29 psi even with cams unless Opel fuel injectors as well.
28% more fuel demand on E-85 vs pump gas would mean 10 ms or longer injection times at 2600psi on his car!!!!!!!!
This is a big reason why I personally prefer secondary port injector(s) over cam lobe and opel injectors (for the most part). I've pushed mine as high as 30psi with e47 and saw no higher than a 6.8ms pw peak and 32% IDC with rail pressure holding solid at a commanded 2500psi. Plus the added benefit of chemical cooling when spraying ethanol that far up in the manifold.
Old 12-13-2014 | 05:05 PM
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Anybody esle in this tread all ready per order theres?
Old 12-15-2014 | 11:04 PM
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Anybody esle in this tread all ready per order theres?
Ya they start shipping tomorrow
Old 12-15-2014 | 11:18 PM
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Go fast, not broke....
well you're gonna go fast and break your 3rd gear at the same time
Old 12-16-2014 | 12:23 AM
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well you're gonna go fast and break your 3rd gear at the same time
1-2-4-5. **** 3 with all that power tho
Old 12-17-2014 | 02:39 PM
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We are including a note with the 7163 turbos that we ship, but I just want to post it here so more of you know. We are running the high pressure wastegate canisters on the 7163. We include medium pressure canisters on the 6758. This means that the duty cycle chart in the ECM must be adjusted differently with this turbo. To start out, I subtract 25% from the entire chart and set the max duty cycle to 75%. Be careful, because you can find yourself hitting 30psi boost in a hurry if you run a 6758 tune file with the 7163.
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I still want to hear a video of this thing
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well you're gonna go fast and break your 3rd gear at the same time
been there done that.


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