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Will they be for the sc or tc?

 

whats the advantage of these going to be? and why chrome moly?

 

control arms huh? interesting, what are the performance advatages? do they make the ride more harsh?

 

Ride is improved, more responsive, less mush. Launching is improved from reduced toe in. Cornering is improved from less flex. Car accelerates and brakes better from reduced weight and less toe in. Replaces OEM rubber mounts with Poly and a heim joint.


Works for SC and TC.

In all other markets people love them.

 

i see none

 

I know what the control arms are, they're very popular with Honda Civics... I always see bright red ones on the old b18s around here. if you raise your car you cant miss them, I believe they hold the front lower strut spindle?

 

this

 

why? chromoly is heavier than the aluminum ones we have, and if we wanted to it would be easier just to press in a spherical bushing to firm up the ride.

 

Our control arms are much lighter than the stock aluminum ones. The ball joints are beefier. The arms flex less, one joint has no flex, the other is poly instead of rubber. You cannot achieve the performance of this arm with a modified stock one. They eliminate the need for front traction bars. Unsprung weight savings makes the suspension work much better. You really have to drive a car with them installed to fully appreciate the benefits.

 

How long till these are out i think i want a set.

 

Why would anybody want to use aftermarket suspension pieces when the stock suspension allowed the Cobalt SS/TC to knock 13 seconds off the class (2L, front wheel drive) record at the Nurburgring?

 

they arent on the site...

 

I don't have a date. We made a set for Ryan and have another set going on Matt's LNF IIRC. I'm not sure when mass production starts. Soon I would think.

Because they are better. and i would guess they could have knocked 14 seconds off the class at Nurburgring

 

Ride is improved....Are you serious? Everyone knows that rubber tranmits the least NVH, followed by poly, and solid mounts. Your idea of the "ride is imporved" must be different from mine. When I think ride is improved.... I think of a caddy and feel less bumps.

Did you change the geometry of the control arm? If not, I don't see how it would affect the toe in as it attaches to the knuckle.

I would like to see the weight savings...to begin with it is a small aluminum crontrol arm. However I would agree chromoly would be stronger with less flex.

 

come on, don't you know. it's made by ZZP therefore better than anything out there, and they don't have to tell you why......

 

Every product we release is generally bashed in this community. People say it doesn't work, people lie about it, hate on it. Then we produce results and EVERY time we prove people wrong. What would be the point of me lying about it this time? So that I can hear about it for forever? So that no one will believe what we say again? Come on.


If anyone wants to do their homework on this part, you can visit any car forum known. All major markets have something similar. If you want to learn about ZZP and whether we make up numbers or sell worthless stuff; go to clubGP. We've been selling there for 10 years. ZZP is the real deal, when we get in a market things get serious. Cars get fast, people make HP, period. This community has been buying as many parts that don't work as they have parts that do work for nearly 5 years. The cars are slow and not respected in racing circles. ZZP hopes to change that with serious parts.

As for ride quality, save judgement until people buy them and post. I imagine it will be like very other of the 100 threads I can pull up. ZZP talks about something. Guys like 06black come in talking ****. ZZP proves it and delivers and haters move on to the next new product...

 

No he didn't come in talking ****. Get the names straight because theres 06black and 06blackg85ss

 

not talking ****, but look at your answer to the guys question..... come on, I worded it different, but that's basically what you said.

but what do I care anymore. I"m just bored with nothing better to do at work.

 

Ok, I'm not a metallurgist, but I do know a bit about types of metal as I deal with it everyday.

From what I conjure up, I remember chrome moly being harder than mild steel, and mild steel is harder than aluminum. I believe there's a possibility you could "stiffen" up or "tighten" up the ride by installing these. To what degree of effectiveness you'd achieve, that would need to be proven for me to believe their worth.

My biggest concern is how hard chrome moly is. As most of you know, the harder something is, the more brittle it becomes. Stress cracks and breakage would be my main concerns of running a chrome moly part in the suspension, seeing as our suspensions are rather tight and somewhat unforgiving. Imagine driving into a large pothole with a hardened part, while steel (or better yet, aluminum) can deform somewhat before breakage, I'd peg the hardened part (chrome moly) as being much more likely to outright fail or develop cracks that will make it more susceptible to fail.

Just my thoughts.

 

OH MY GOD Seriously your going to bash on him now cuz he didn't type is whole username I understand that there is a 06black and 06blackg85ss but evryone knows who he is talking about, if you don't you're plain f*ckin stupid. I'm tired of people bashing on ZZP for everything they do. Seriosly you're going to bash a company that is trying and succeeding in producing products in advancing our car's performance. Yes
I know Zoomer can come off as a dick at times, maybe because he's simply tired of having to defend his business against a bunch of punks who automatically don't like a business cuz like they prefer a different company. Wouldn't you become a bit of a dick to certain users who seem to search the forum to find and bash ZZP then claim they have all these secrets and info but never seem to prove it. With all these secrets and info you'd think it would be no problem putting up bigger numbers and faster times, but yet they fall in the same category as all the other's in 13's or a select few in the 12's. Wait a second where is ZZP at? oh 11's and most WHP PROVEN. You can say oh this guy made this much power but wait where's the proof? if someone else who isn't in you're little online clic says they have achieved something automatically you call bullshit unless they provide evidence. I'm tired of this forum just getting turned into a bitching and bickering forum. I thought we would all try to learn from one another so we can advance and focus againt a bunch of stupid idiots that are cruising other Jap cars, No wonder why Cobalt owners never get any respect. I guess I'll just continue to cruise in my "950whp" cobalt and keep my "secrets".

 

i guess claims are fine for the uneducated.... but the educated like a little more than just that.
SOrry that isn't bashing in any form.
And on a side note, I never bashed ZZp's products..... just Zoomer's dickish attitude.

 

That's a good point. Stock suspension or even lowering springs would probably allow these arms to last a while, but I'm not sure these are for people with coilovers. Coilovers ride stiff as it is, and the more brittle chrome moly could lead to potential breakage. Time will tell?

 

i wouldnt be putting chromoly control arms on a street car myself. they are way less forgiving and ive seen enough cases of broken control arms (all from different and well known makers) on the street to keep them off my car, regardless of who makes them. track only car or a street/track toy, sure, going to stiffer control arms has its benifits

if you make a daily driven street car to rigid your asking for trouble. you need some give somewhere.

 

Yes, because ZZP is that good. We do prove proof and back up our products with testing and data but our word should and will eventually be good enough. If you run our parts, your car will be fast. There really isn't an alternative right now. And I am tired of defending things.

In this 'educated' market, people have no experience what-so-ever. Take the example of "i wouldn't use them on a street car" People here actually trying to figure out if chrome moly control arms have an advantage or if they work on the street. To me this is like ZZP coming out with an intercooler for a market of non intercooled boosted cars, then having to fight 1/2 the forum who is claiming for evidence that intercooling works. Come on guys, quit harassing me. Just go to another forum and learn something about modifying cars. Please. It would make my job a lot easier and instead of convincing you why and electric turbo won't work, I could be making parts and writing real tech articles.

We make these for the GP market. Been using them over a year. One guy total his car with them installed and they were all that survived.
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