how about we start cutting you some slack, if you stop being such a ****. deal?

 

If you're sick of the flamingm create the part and show the test results, before releasing any information.

 

ZZP has the 1st, 2nd and 3rd best Ecotec 60' times. These are run on the fastest Cobalt on the forums. We're crash tested our control arms. WTF more testing do you need?



Furthermore, this is a stupid discussion. No different than arguing if intercooling or boosting a motor works. GO TO ANOTHER FORUM! There are probably 10,000 Mustangs and Camaros running chrome moly control arms. Sure a lot of inexperienced people make parts from chrome moly and they fail, normally due to using incorrect filler rod. You need something with give. That is why we use E80 fill rod. Keep in mind, the OEM A-arms on nearly all new GM vehicles are cast aluminum. Anyone understanding metal knows this is one of the weakest ways to design something, yet it's fine for OEMs. Questioning 4340 when the factory is using cast aluminum doesn't even make sense.

 

I do have a couple of questions about the arms.

Are they adjustable? these arms have a different measurement than our stockers? is that how the toe in is changed or another way?

I have spent a bit of time in suspension geometry and cornering, our cars are setup for cornering from the factory with a few degrees of toe to allow for this (I dont have the exact degrees in front of me but I can get them), by removing this toe wouldnt it result in less cornering ability?

If the toe would have stayed the same as stock would it have enhanced the cornering ability further?

Wouldnt forged aluminum be better long term?

l8r,
PD

 

Wow this is unbelievable... All the members on this site complain that we don't have all the parts options like civics and other 4 baggers and when a vendor comes in to try and create a new part for a car that isnt going to be around in 2 years you guys bash him to ****.

After reading just this thread, if I was ZZP I would pull my support and tell you all to **** off! Why are you guys bashing on a vendor making new parts?

 

I'm I missing something?

http://www.zzperformance.com/cobalt_ion/whatsnew.php

 

see this was almost a good post by you.

as for chromoly control arms, they are fine on the street, hell the 7 Monte SS's I raced I had them in all 7. worked fine, took off some weight, and looked great.
As for your word, yes you have backed up your claims, and that's all at least I ever asked. And yes your word is starting to be good enough (remember this is a new market you have to conquer). either or, just stop being such a dick to people when they ask questions, well at least to the people that have a clue.

who's bashing? i don't see any bashing, I see questions being asked.... and if you think that's bashing, well..... there is no hope for you

 

Wow, I so knew when I opened this thread 06 would show up, and slow now just missing area, and quick. Your ebuddies told zoom to stay out of a thread that's not his, do the same. Also weres this 600 hp whip your friends say you got, sense you didn't punch in on the other thread.

 

This is bashing and you do it constantly. You, short stack, and a few others. Always the same BS

 

This quite impressive to their strength. I've hit a curb sideways and the control arm crumpled like a coat hanger, but it was the only thing that took damage besides the rim. Chromoly is more brittle but hardened steel usually only shatters/splinters when hitting another hard surface so for this application it would work good. I've messed with tank sprockets which are hardened steel and they would only maybe shatter some pieces off if you dropped them onto concrete.

 

Are you kidding? The guy is offering a new point and there are multiple. "theres no point" "its not gonna do anything" how about "why replace it if they knocked 13 seconds off the nurin"

If there was no bashing he wouldn't be getting defensive and having to call people out who just talk ****. And you were obviously one of them. and btw you don't ******* know me so don't say **** like there is no hope for me

 

I'll pick up a set if they come with good bushings already in.

They look pretty good to me!

 

Is that sealed heim joint?

 

nice, how much? i'm still saving money for the catless downpipe from ZZP.

 

HEY!!!!!!! I asked some questions, I would like for them to be addressed, and not ignored for some petty argument garbage.

l8r,
PD

 

Adjustable but only for install, not for changing toe. These are setup the same as factory but do not flex like factory and changing out the mounts results in improved performance. Under heavy load the OEM pieces cannot hold the tire firmly in place. This is one of the problems with the Cobalt's poor 60' ability.

https://www.cobaltss.net/forums/2-0l-lsj-performance-tech-47/zzp-customer%92s-twincharged-cobalt-runs-11s-188466/ is Mike William's 11 second thread. Twin charged car but 1.9 60's. I'm guessing with our control arms he would have been muich faster.

 

How are they on a DD? Im assuming with them having far less flex than the stockers that they will be less forgiving. and have more shock effect when hitting potholes, speed bumps, etc.

by shock effect I mean that the vibrations/bumps will be felt more by the driver rather than the suspension flex and absorb them

Also what types of welds are used on them? Are these going to be suggested to prolonged "daily driven" testing like a 10k+ mileage test?

Im just asking because I have seen some poor welds fail in certain suspension situaitions, Im not saying yours will, the ones I seen fail had nothing to do with any vendor here.

l8r,
PD

 

Do you not feel that most of the flex comes from the stock CAB's? Wouldn't buying something like OTTP spherical bushings remove that flex? I highly doubt the stock arm with an upgraded bushing would flex enough to change 60' times by more then .05 at most.

 

As posted earlier in the thread, we use E80 weld rod and these have been running in the GP market for over a year. Ride quality is excellent. All aspects of handling are improved. Have you looked at ZZP's coming soon page? Do you see how long it takes us to release products? Things are not put on the coming soon page until they have been in existance for some time. They are not released until they have been on the coming soon page a long time. We've had products take over 4 years to release.

 

I'd might be interested in a set of these if they perform as well as they are supposed to.

 

So these will come out in 4 years? Is this a joke? I'll have my next car by then, my Vette!

 

I didn't say these will take 4 years. I said we have had products take 4 years to develop. My point being that we don't rush release things. Our poly engine mount for the GP and our aluminum heads for the GP both took over 4 years to release. Sometimes things take a long time. These control arms have a ton of development. We had to source a ball joint, get a welder experienced and practiced with chrome moly and E80 fill rod, we had to solve the issue of stress cracking in this type of component experienced by some other companies, we had to work out heim joint issues and source components, get a die to bend 1" chrome moly, etc.

All of that was worked out a long time ago. After building a set we had to test the concept a long time. They were installed on our vehicles with road miles put on them and we got 'lucky' enough to have a car get totalled thus giving us a crash test. All this was done on the GP so doing them for the Cobalt was 1/10 of the time. After designing them we installed them, changed the design a little, did another set and installed them. Tested them at the track and now we're just gathering street mile feedback and making sure we didn't miss anything.

4 years is the longest we've ever taken but it was 3 years to 1st prototype on the alum heads and we posted about it. 1 year to market from there. This product is exponentially easier than aluminum heads.

 

The people who are actually debating the effectiveness of moly control arms really need to look outside of ss.net and learn about other cars, I agree completely with Zoomer's post about the intercoolers, and it made me laugh. Guys, realize cobalts are not the only car that people modify, and that there is more than one way to do things. I don't care what you think about ZZP, but some of the bashing on Zoomer and the company is getting very out of hand. Moly control arms are proven and effective. Period.

 

so this is another s/c t/c only product?

 

The stock SS/TC is hardly as far as you can go with a car, just because thats the way GM made it doesnt mean its right. The ZZP bashing is a bit excessive on here but there seems to be this group on here that claims to know more than the manf of the car, all the vendors, and everyone else that has the car. I think they are all full of ****.

Anyways I would like to know when and how much, I'm extremely interested my concern is them breaking, I've seen chromemoly control arms break before.