I didn't say we charge more. I said we use more expensive components. Then on top of that, we charge the customer much less.

 

That plastic POS is not better quality....if you say it is than that says a lot about the company

 

clicky

 

well nice turbo kit who cares about flexy **** if it boooostttssssssss

 

Im not saying its a good kit, im just stating they they claim their kit uses higher quality parts. Then you see that plastic tube for the intake. Kind of contradicts what they were saying.

Matt, You are making it seem like I said I was in the 12's after you posted up times.

I told everybody the reasoning behind why I cant post times, and also said that i'd retract my statement. You're senseless arguing over that says alot about your company that you are representing.

My original post that started all of this was "The hahn kit looks more finished than zzp's". You took that and went to town with it stating that hahn's quality sucks, and your's is the ****. When I just proved you wrong with your plastic intake.

Your 13.04 run is impressive, dont get me wrong. But for you sidebusting everybody elses opinion is pretty queer.

We all recommended HAHN. You then went to town bashing the HAHN kit.

ZZP's price is nice, and I wish it was out when I bought my kit..about 2 years ago. However, your senseless attempt to make me look bad by stating "you post fake times" says alot.

 

Can someone post the link to the thread were he said all of this stuff? Cause to be honest I don't remember bashing it other than when he stated he couldn't understand why hahn had a hard time with tuning the 2.4(I think thats what he posted).

 

I didn't say those things. I said that some of the parts they use are cheaper than the parts we use, yet they still charge a lot more.

...is quite an exaggeration.

 

I'm going to agree with riko, and i have read almost everypage of the massive zzp sneak peak thread, and this kit seems pretty nice to me and is proven by track times now. I know ZZP uses company's name but i dont remember them saying the hahn kit was a POS or anything remotely close.

They did say that for the 4 grand people are spending which is 1grand more then there kit people should get some upgraded materials is all i see...... which is an opinion...

 

I know didn't say those things, thats why I want proof. If the OP can't prove it, it will be just like the thread where he claimed to run a 12.9 in the 1/4 mile.

 

Taken from post labeled "Turbo" in the 2.4 section (Link: https://www.cobaltss.net/forums/2-4l-le5-performance-tech-46/turbo-164835/

Matt States: Originally Posted by Matt M
Hahn includes cheaper components and charges far more than we do for a 2.4 kit. We have also refined our kits to address a couple suggestions that we have heard.

Now, With that said, look at hahn's piping, vs zzp's. Tell me which you'd rather have. a Nice powdercoated charge piping, and intake piping. Or...a plastic hose....

 

And then I followed it up by saying that the components that I am referring to are the wastegate and bypass valve. I just went and looked over the pricing and I was mistaken. Their kit is not $1000 more than ours. With a similar performaing turbo and the same size injectors, their kit is over $1500 more than ours! If you think the flexible intake is unacceptable when you are saving $1500, then I guess that's your opinion. You can load our kit up with TiAL 50mm BOV, extended tip Borg Warner turbo, and 60 lb injectors and still come in $1000 cheaper.

 

Haters will always find a reason to bash. ZZPerformance does custom work on nearly every build. Hornig, on his twin charge build, wanted a solid tube in place of the flex duct. We built one and swapped him out. Big deal. Are there really people so desperate to bash ZZP that they are going to dig and dig until they find something to pick apart that can be changed in an hour? Get serious.

Then the first 2.4 to every run the ZZP kit ran a better time on it's first track day than any 2.4 done by anyone or any company. Are you still seriously bashing? I swear if Jesus worked for ZZP there would be people bitching about how walking on water isn't that impressive....

 

Careful with jebus. Some people get offended

 

LOL!

Zoomer, Matt M, you guys are right, sometimes you just can't ******* win.

 

To the bold print unfortunately yes IMO I really wouldn't care if it was plastic or not cause if its reliable it shouldn't matter anyways.

 

I find it funny how you are saying I am bashing without reason.

The point of it was simple. Matt said you guys use more expensive parts... Pictures showed otherwise... You guys lied. Admit it.

 

We do use more expensive parts. Matt listed the specifics. The turbo is the most expensive part of a kit, we use a better turbo, then onto the wastegate and the bypass. It's obvious to anyone intelligent who chooses to think about it. If you want to be a tool and claim a that Hahn uses 3M zip ties and we use a brand that's 10% cheaper so therefore we're liars, then go ahead. You just make yourself look dumb.

BTW, how fast did you run your first day at the track?

 

ZZP is amazing, great guys and great service! I have ordered numerous things through them! Not to mention their pulley kit is top notch! Im sure their turbo setup is top notch as well!

 

Sounds like someone is just butthurt that he spent more money on less of a kit.

Get over it and stop vendor bashing, like we need any less vendors for our platform.

I've been happy with my ZZP products and service thus far :

 

Why bash the recirculating BOV in the Hahn kit?

It's made by BOSCH and holds a warranty against defects. I could care less about it being plastic and I doubt that a metal BOV would perform any better or last any longer

I think this is simple case of vendor competition. Nothing wrong with that but keep it friendly and honest

 

No one is bashing their recirc valve. We only said that it costs them less.

 

Jesus somethings will never end! Its like a circus on here!

 

oh ya? My e-***** is bigger than than j00rs so take your vendor bashing and stick it up your kkthanxbye post.

Seriously, .net is horrible these days. Let me pass out everyone some tampons and and a tissue. Lets hold hands and talk about our feelings. He said, she said. Users nit picking **** and vendors trading gabs at users. What ever happened to being adults?

 

The plastic pipe used for the intake is a perfectly legit item and the haters need to move on. Gm designed and installed it all over the SS/TC, yes it has some drawbacks and issues but that was made to last for 100k miles or more. Would you rather zzp throw on a $10 peice if aluminum pipe and charge $1000 more. The pissing and moaning over zzp is so stupid, get over it you bunch of no life having crybabies...

 

That would just be too easy